Cheney: We Waterboard

N.b. that this comes *after* Bush signed the MCA into law, thus immunizing Cheney for criminal liability w/r/t waterboarding.

We have waterboarded for decades...our own military personnel who go through SERE (Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape) training. I'll take all of this wailing more seriously when I see protestors trying to close this program down.

Yes, the airtight "anything that has ever been done to anyone with their consent cannot be torture absent that consent" argument. When can we expect the Vice-President to announce that rape is a perfectly acceptable interrogation technique?

You have a pretty bizarre idea of consent, especially in a military enviroment.

My mistake, people who joined an all-volunteer military and then chose to join specific units which would require SERE training, knowing that they'd receive training were certainly coerced by their economic and other life circumstances into making those choices.

Bounty hunters who turned in their tribal rivals to the U.S., and whose captures constitute an unknown but certainly non-zero number of people in U.S. custody were also coerced by their economic and other life circumstances into making those choices. There are, therefore, no relevant differences.

If you actually read what Cheney has to say, about anything, you'll note that he is a senile imbecile.

Forget that talk about him being the "brains behind Bush". I see guys like Cheney all the time, because I visit a nursing home where some old guys who lost their minds live.

So we have Bush strutting around declaring he is the Emperor of Space, and Cheney talking about how he heard something and it made sense to him and then he got to thinking about how Democrats and Al Qaeda were actally the same people....

Yup, these are the adults, no doubt about it.

Early in the Weasel Years, there was an fairly lengthy article on the web that detailed the difference between Cheney's Big Hitter reputation and his actual feeble record. It was comic then, and nothing that he has done since then has dispelled the conclusion that there's never been a bigger basso blowhard in our politics. Even his cowardice is singular. What other politician in our history has so relentlessly hidden himself, scurrying away to undisclosed locations? (Not that he's ever been particularly shamed by it.) That such a gallant would love torture is a foregone conclusion. That such a gallant would seek cover under law for his fetish is just icing on the cake. "There, there, Dick. It's ok to inflict hideous pain on fellow humans."

Matt

Waterborading does constitute torture when others do it to American solidiers/CIA. But it does not constitute torture when American soliders/CIA do it to others. Do I contradict myself? Why yes, but I am vast, I contain multitudes.

All the best,
Dick

RE:Torture vs. not-torture

I'm reminded of an old runners joke (that is, a joke made by old runners): "Running" is what I, and people faster than me, do. "Jogging" is what slower people do.

"Aletrnative methods" is what good people do. "Torture" is what evil people do.

If waterboarding isn't torture, could someone explain to me why the hell anyone does it? Is it some kind of bizarre hygiene ritual?

Of course it's torture! If it weren't so awfully unbearable that people would say anything to make it stop, nobody would do it. That's what torture is.

Male cadets at West Point are required to take boxing classes, where they get punched in the face. Hence, beatings are not torture. Many cadets also stay up very late preparing for exams. Hence, sleep deprivation is not torture. See how easy that is?

What bout lib Hitler Hillary? She tortures with looks and words makes threats of health care. You don't mention her you're hippocratical.

"Hippocratical"? Does this mean Matt has sworn some sort of oath, medical or otherwise? The comment from Linus exemplifies the smug ignorance that has become the only thing making it possible to be a Republican these days. Here are some examples of Republican torture: Watching George W. Bush form a sentence; anything from the mouth of Bill Frist; watching Dennis Hastert walk; living in Tennessee, where Bob Corker ads litter the TV screen every ten minutes; waiting for more closet doors to fly open in Washington -- starting with the top of a particularly important Republican organization. That's a start. So, no more of torture from those who say they don't.

Finally some sleep methods I hate counting those fuzz balls. WBR LeoP

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If waterboarding isn't torture, could someone explain to me why the hell anyone does it? Is it some kind of bizarre hygiene ritual?

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What bout lib Hitler Hillary? She tortures with looks and words makes threats of health care. You don't mention her you're hippocratical.

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