Via Chris Bertram, Mark Ames at the exile publication eXile.ru does a brilliant job smacking down American journalists in general, Washington Post editorial page figures in particular, and Anne Applebaum in super-particular for their opportunistic, shallow, and egocentric deployments of Russian journalist Anna Politkovskaya's murder:
What exactly was Anna Politkovskaya's bullet-riddled corpse worth to the West? No surprise here: A juicy opportunity to demonize Putin and Russia. . . .The West has used poor Anna Politkovskaya's corpse to do exactly what she fought against: whipping up national hatred, lying, and focusing on evils committed safely far away, rather than on the evils committed by your own country. The West has exploited her death with all of the crudity and cynicism of an Arab mob funeral...only at least the Arabs use their own people's corpses to demonize an enemy that actually kills them. Whereas in this case, the West stole another country's corpse, then paraded it at home in order to whip up hatred against the corpse's birthplace. It would be like the Palestinians slipping into Tel Aviv, grave-robbing Rabin's corpse after his murder, then parading it around Gaza City, ululating hate towards Israel for allowing the great peacemaker to get killed.
Read the whole thing. Where, he asks, are America's Politkovskayas -- the brave journalists who stand up to the depredations and illiberalism of our local political goons? It would go too far to say there are none, but Fred Hiatt and friends certainly don't qualify.
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Brilliant? Crap is more like it. I especially liked "Hence her book Gulag, packed with all the affected moral outrage that you'd expect." I guess she wasn't really outraged by the gulag -- it was all really "affected." That was a fabulous book. Beautifully written, meticulously researched, well-organized. Applebaum writes about Russia because Russia, along with Eastern Europe, is her specialty. Kind of obvious, when you think about it. And not exactly something to be sneered at.
I'm a bit baffled by (what I infer to be) Matthew's continual line that anti-Putin feeling in the West is nothing more than great power rivalry.
I can never tell if Applebaum's a bad person or just a useful not-quite-idiot. There's certainly something misery poker-ish about her writings about the former Soviet bloc.
This reads like an American(?) who when exposed to the culture has whole-heartedly bought into the typical Russian paranoia and delusions of grandeur.
We're whipping up "hatred"? Among...who? A few hundred policy makers/implementers, a few thousand journalists and assorted wonks, and a couple of hundred thousand newspaper readers who might be able to pick her name out of a multiple choice test three months from now? Are all of these people frothing mad at Russia or Putin? Are any of them?
Russia, we're just not that in to you.
While I don't think the whole post is that on-target (the press isn't really Russia-bashing, or even Russia ignoring really, the mainstream press is LAZY) I do agree with this sentiment:
Where, he asks, are America's Politkovskayas -- the brave journalists who stand up to the depredations and illiberalism of our local political goons? It would go too far to say there are none, but Fred Hiatt and friends certainly don't qualify."
There certainly are a few, but this is even more damning. Sy Hersch hasn't been shot to pieces. He gets a lot of calumny heaped upon him, but not so many bullets. It isn't dangerous to be critical, hard-hitting and honest, but our reporters and especially editors remain cowed by power just because it makes good business sense to be craven.
I couldn't really bring myself to complain about reporters and editors who did their job badly because they did not want to die. I wouldn't want to die for my job either. But you don't become a reporter or an editor to become rich. If they want to spin to become rich there are plenty of other opportunities here in America.
Matthew Y:
Amen! Our geopolitical antagonism towards Russia has to be tarted up for the Ignatiuses and Hiatts as speaking out against anti-Semitism or speaking up for press freedom.
Applebaum, is an interesting little neonservative slut, a la Judith Miller: she's married to Radek Sikorski, Poland's foreign minister, which goes a way toward's explaining that country's insane foreign policy.
I'm baffled this. Putin is a thug. Anna Politkovskaya was a courageous journalist working to expose Russia's genocide in Chechnya. Her murder is a disaster for independent journalism in Russia.
So why are we supposed to nod our heads when Mark Ames ridicules her ("poor Anna Politkovskaya's corpse")? And why should we agree that suspicions that Putin tacitly encouraged her murder constitute a "juicy opportunity to demonize Putin"? Is it because we dislike Anne Appleman so much that anyone she dislikes must be okay with us?
Putin doesn't need demonizing. He IS a demon. He has worked tirelessly to dismantle every trace of Russian democracy. Why Matt or any other liberal would want to leap to his defense in order to score points against Anne Appleman is beyond my comprehension.
And Brendan- Anne Appleman is the happily married mother of two children. But for you, a woman you disagree with is a slut. You know what that makes you? A pig. Go oink somewhere else.
I'm surprised that so few comments are about the point of Ames column - or one of them: the murder of Russian journalists and the destruction of Russia's fragile shoots of democracy, plus its atrocious record of war crimes against Chechnya, stretches back through Yeltsin's time - in fact, can't be understood without understanding the peculiar, noxious synergy of neo-liberal thought, the mafia, and the military that helped buoy Yeltsin. Of course, the massive American effort to corrupt the Russian elections in order to elect a notorious drunkard in 96 didn't hurt, either. And at that time, the Applebaum's were cheering as shock therapy unconscionably destroyed the social network left by the Soviets.
Going by the American papers, though, Yeltsin was some kind of hero - rather than a one of Russia's worst rulers (to find worse, you have to go all the way back to Stalin), around whom collected sinister figures that would have been more at home in Nicholas and Alexandra's court.
So, on the one hand, we have the blatant hypocrisy of shedding tears over the deaths of journalist in the Putin era that simply extends a 'nasty habit' started under neo-liberal hero, Yeltsin, without a peep; and on the other hand there is the record of damning dissident journalists simply by firing them. And, of course, there is the assiduous and cultivated blind eye towards American sponsored killings of journalists in Iraq, which has caused America to drop to something like 43 on the list of country's respecting freedom of press (outside of the country) issued by the Reporters without Borders organization
Applebaum's use of Politkovskaya was truly disgusting, including comparing her death to Putin's jailing of the mafioso Mikhail Khodorkovsky who ran Yukos - especially since Khodorkovsky is exactly the kind of figure Politkovskaya spent a lot of time exposing. See in particular her article, How to missapropriate property with the connivance of the government in her collection, Putin's Russia. But if you are a billionaire, instead of a nasty Red, in Applebaum's view, all your sins are forgiven. In fact, Applebaum will run cover for you.
So yes -- I think Ames is basically on target.
The deeply silly JR's incomprehension is startling. He posits that Ames' editorial is a mockery of Politkovskaya ("The lesson of Anna Politkovskaya's fearless journalism...") and an apology for Putin ("a regular asshole...The way Putin managed to bring the media more tightly under his heel than Yeltsin managed during his tenure was by a combination of brute intimidation and career-intimidation."). But as anyone with elementary reading skills can see, Ames assumes the opposite--that Politkovskaya is a courageous journalist who exposed the depridations of the Putin regime--in order to make an elementary ethical point: that there is only margnial moral value to criticizing a government from which one has nothing to fear and over which one has no control or responsibility.
Applying this reasoning--elementary ethical reasoning available to five year olds--we discover that Applebaum's editorials have little moral or practical value. Simple.
But too simple for JR.
"Going by the American papers, though, Yeltsin was some kind of hero - rather than a one of Russia's worst rulers"
There is nothing that precludes him from being both.
He is the prominent politician who faced down soldiers in armored personel carriers. These were soldiers from the same forces that steamrolled into crowds, crushing people with their armored vehicles in Riga in the preceding days. "Hero" is a word that is misapplied more than just about any other in our language, but it was perfectly accurate for Yeltsin at that time.
Yes, he was drunk, corrupt and ineffectual. He was also heroic at an incredibly pivotal moment.
Matt,
One of your phrases a couple years ago, regarding the Bush crowd, really stuck with me. You spoke of "the creeping Putinization" of American political life. I think you were right on when you said that.
Apparently a Russian journalist felt the same way about Russia, and got killed for it. So why not a little solidarity, and a little less concern about sounding Rusophobic?
Jonathon, don't make JR's mistake. There is nothing in what Matt or Mark Ames says that can be construed as apology for Putin. Indeed, the point they are making RELIES on the assumption that Putin is a miserable governor. Please, read better.
JR:
Applebaum is a warmonger supported the invasion of Iraq. I'll call her whatever I want; at least my words won't be helping kill people.
That said, her stance of principled denunciation of Putin isn't wrong if you credulously take it at face value -- it's just that its cheap neocon "freedom" talk, which usually leads to war. Russia is on our shit list for one main reason and one lesser reason. Firstly it's a strategic adversary for Caucases oil. Second, they are thwarting our efforts to start a war on Iran (this rankled Tom Friedman, a kindred spirit to Applebaum, last week). I recommend you read Stephen Cohen.
Njorl, well, as you probably know, of course the same argument applies to Stalin. He did stop Hitler. He found the one unpurged military man who could do it - Zhukov - and he promoted him.
Tatiana Tolstoya, in a review of David Remnick's Resurrection (or was it Redemption - some big R world), quotes Remnick's account of how Yeltsin helped divide up the Soviet Union into warring ethnicities at a secret meeting in Minsk, to which Yeltsin referred to in his memoirs, saying that the sense of freedom made him dizzy. As Tolstoya acidly remarked, that dizziness is known to anyone who has just downed four or five glasses of vodka -and according to the participants Remnick talked to, Yeltsin was so drunk at the Minsk meeting he kept falling out of his seat.
Some hero.
Yes, Brendan, because she supported the war in Iraq you're free to claim that she sleeps around. Oink, oink.
And I've reread Ames twice and Appleman twice, and I stand by what I said. Ames is an apologist for Putin. Now, Putin is so dreadful that Ames can't say that he's wonderful, but he couches his criticism carefully: Putin is an "impressive politician" whose main flaw is his "vanity." If he'd been more "adept" he would have "embraced her corpse." No. Putin is extraordinarily adept. When he made it clear that he's happy she's dead, he knew precisely what he was doing. His goal is to squash all opposition, not -- as Ames would have it -- to make himself popular with the voters. By criticising Putin for failing to engage in "cynical politicking," Ames is arguing that Putin is just another politician. But Putin is not a politician. He's a dictator, doing all he can to assure that genuine politicians have no role in Russian life. Ames wants you to forget that, and for that reason his writing is dishonest and reprehensible.
As for Appleman, apparently Ames believes that Americans have no right to criticize Russia. That's so ridiculous it needs no response.
And roger, there was nothing "disgusting" in Appleman's reference to Khodorkovsky. The point is that Khodorkovsky was imprisoned for his political outspokenness, not for his crimes, and his company was illegally seized by the state at Putin's orders. As Appleman points out, the message was not lost: you can steal as much as you want, but oppose Putin and you will lose everything.
JR, No, those weren't the charges against Khodorokovsky - although it was true that he was going to use money he had stolen, at the expense of many, many murders, to enter politics. Now, I'm for civil liberties, and if Applebaum is concerned that, say, John Gotti is getting a raw deal because RICO is a flagrant violation of the constitution, fine. But I don't consider that a mafioso and an assassinated journalist are in the same category. Apparently, however, you find the use of stolen money to gain political power the kind of thing that makes the angels weep. So does Applebaum. I'm surprised she isn't plugging Duke Cunningham and William Jefferson too -- after all, their only crime was taking bribes. Political prisoners, I tell ya!
Putin is in power plain and simple for one reason - he made a deal, which was heartily approved by the neo-liberal crowd Applebaum runs with, not to go after Yeltsin's inner circle. He violated that by going after the rebarbative Yukos head, and Applebaum wakes up and decries this terrible blow against the freedom to steal as much as you want and use it to your political advantage. Sorry, but this is exactly the kind of thing Politkovskaya wrote denunciations of, year after year.
So, again - Applebaum is a disgusting parrot for the worst class that came to power in Russia, and her turn against Putin, and, as Ames points out, the U.S. media's sudden concern for political liberty in Russia, is a hypocritial farce, compounded of chicanery and selective indignation.
However, Ames is wrong about no American journalist having courage in Iraq. PBS just showed a documentary by Laura Poitras on an Iraqi anti-occupation candidate during the 2005 election. It sounds pretty excellent. And, of course, for her courage, Poitras has been put on a U.S. 'watch list'. Bush and Putin, two of the same kind.
Here's a link to Poitras' Q and A: http://www.washingtonpost.com
/wp-dyn/content/
discussion/2006/10/24/DI2006102400603.html
Poor JR. He's read the piece twice and still can't comprehend it!
Let's put aside the question of whether describing a person's political skills as "impressive" or "adept" serves as an apology for that person. (If it does, it renders every Hitler study ever written morally reprehensible.) Instead, let's see whether Ames' point functions if we believe, as JR does, that Ames thinks Putin "wonderful".
Well, what is Ames's point? That western writers such as Applebaum pale in moral courage in comparison to Anna Politskovkaya because they routinely refuse to criticize the behaviour of their own governments. What does this imply? That Anna Politskovkaya criticized the crimes of her own government. And what does that imply? That the Putin government commits crimes.
But JR thinks that Ames thinks that the Putin government is "wonderful". Where does this lead us? Well, it must mean that Ames disavows the fact that the Putin govt. commits crimes. What does this do to his evaluation of Politskovkaya? Well, logically, it would obviate his opinion that her work was serious or courageous. And what does that do to his actual point--that western writers such as Applebaum pale in moral standing in comparison to Anna Politskovkaya? Well, to spell it out for the JRs among us, it u-n-d-e-r-m-i-n-e-s it completely.
But the literate among us can rest easy: in fact Ames claims that Politskovkaya is "fearless" and that western writers pale in moral standing.
Simple. But I repeat, too simple for JR.
Roger, Mark: you both smoked JR, who sounds like an awful lot like I might have when I was a college kid and hadn't been exposed to anything more politically nourishing than the NYT op-ed page.
So many Putin apologists, so little time...
Maybe Putin is "dreadful", but he's pretty clearly been better than Yeltsin. You certainly wouldn't know that by reading U.S. press coverage of the last decade.
Unfortunately, evaluating Russian leadership is generally a matter of comparative horribleness.
Slow day at the office, so I've had more time than is healthy to think about JR's (and now Petey's) responses.
It's quite possible that JR (and Petey) aren't stupid, in a technical sense. When confronted with typical, non-controversial material, they can likely analyze it quite competently. Give them a set of end table assembly instructions and you will likely see the successful assembly of an end table. Typical, functioning intelligence--more than adequate for the vast majority of human situations.
But as we have seen, if we show JR and Petey (and a lot of people probably) a non-typical--although no less elementary-- assertion, their normal cognitive capabilities undergo a complete meltdown. So for JR and Petey, this simple--and to me, uncontroversial--idea that critcism is meaningful only in the context of responsibility...it simply lacks any cognitive meaning. It is interpretable only at the level of "Fuck You". Hence the redirection to incorrect irrelevencies ("Ames wants to you to forget that [Putin is a dictator]") and the torrent of ad hominem ("So many Putin apologists, so little time...").
One could rightly call this neanderthalism, but, if it is, how does it fit in the framework of what I admit are normal, quite functional minds? Interesting question.
"Maybe Putin is "dreadful", but he's pretty clearly been better than Yeltsin."
We must have rather different metrics for evaluating leaders.
Yeltsin committed myriad venal sins. Putin has committed mortal sins.
Dude's a straight-up fascist.
Shouldn't say "criticism is meaningul only in the context of responsibility." One can think of exceptions. But generally speaking, political criticism accrues more moral and practical value when it is directed at governments for which one is in some sense responsible. This is indisputable.
Petey,
I see no Putin apologists around here. Back up your accusations, rather than make troll-like suggestions that you could really eviscerate everyone if you had "more time".
The real apologism in the West was for Yeltsin, and for the immiseration of the Russian people (and outright theft) under his watch. And now we are supposed to cry for the thieves, just because Putin may have some mixed motives in prosecuting them. The West proved what it was really interested in in the 1990s, and it wasn't the well-being of the Russian people. Maybe it shouldn't have been, but then we could all have done without the sanctimony.
Ygelesias is throwing off the shackles of Clintonism. Why don't you?
Well, please educate us: what is the proper response to Politkovskaya's murder? Are we supposed to say nothing since we're not "responsible" for Putin?
what is the proper response to Politkovskaya's murder?
Well, it certainly involves a rather chastening look at the hatred generated towards genuine investigative journalism in the US that's breezily ignored by Serious Pundits in Safe Jobs. Melanie 'Moron' Morgan wants Bill Keller executed, remember?
Ames is pointing out the shallow hypocrisy at work. When one journalist dies, it supports one agenda. When another dies, in a country where Serious Pundits' agendas are different, he/she got what was coming. There's obvious chauvinism, as the eXile is a dimmer beacon of journalism than its writers believe, but the basic point holds.
"Well, please educate us: what is the proper response to Politkovskaya's murder?"
Disgust? Horror? Outrage? Isn't it obvious?
Petey, you and I obviously have very different value systems. Yeltsin's sins were venal, eh?
That's funny. Anyway, Ames point is correct - Yeltsin and Putin are on a continuum, like, I don't know, Clinton and Gore, or Ronald Reagan and George Bush. Putin, though, violated the contract by going after the oligarchs - because of course, after the oligarchs had managed to steal on a world historic scale, it was time for them to become democrats, leaders, actually, of democracy. There is, apparently, a neo-con weakness for a loveable character who filches a hundred million or two - hence the Chalabi luv. And since the D.C. crowd just loves the Chalabi type, the thought that a billionaire thief would have his gains taken away from him - it just gives the op ed writers the fantods.
As for my own personal opinion about Yeltsin - well, personally I think he is a typical FSB product, and I think that any real investigation of the supposed Chechen bombings in 99 would find FSB fingerprints on them - as in the 'practice run" that was caught in Ryazan. And I think the nationalistic frenzy he whipped up was of the same type and odor as that whipped up by the 'venal' Yeltsin in 1994. And I think it is hilarious to pretend that Putin put an end to a democracy in Russia that the U.S. was intent on destroying, by hook or crook, in the completely bogus 96 elections, which were bought and paid for by oligarchs under American prodding. Ah, democracy. Be sure to make it an utter sham. Be sure to elect the worst and vilest instruments of American power. Then be sure to decry, as the death of democracy, the natural result of the ideological crime.
Venal like a death squad.
Petey: Yeltsin gave away massive wealth in natural resources to a bunch of crooks and let the economy and government programs that ordinary citizens relied on go to hell. The best estimates are that millions of avoidable deaths occurred as a result. That's a mortal sin in my book. He didn't institute *government* authoritarianism, but the criminals who filled the void of governmental authority during his incompetent administration sure were pretty harsh. Putin is somewhat of a south American style dictator, but at least he seems to make some governmental and economic basics sort of work.
what is the proper response to Politkovskaya's murder?
Cricitize American journalists?
"Putin is somewhat of a south American style dictator, but at least he seems to make some governmental and economic basics sort of work."
The trains are running on time?
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"Putin, though, violated the contract by going after the oligarchs"
When the rich don't have the right to the law, no one has the right to the law.
Democracy often begins from the point of the Magna Carta - the barons having independence from the king. Khodorovsky is a watershed moment in Russian history leading towards darkness.
Petey - now he's a baron, eh?
That magna carta thing too - that's a bit of Russian history I bet you Putin didn't even know about!
However, I'm surprised that you don't date the downfall of democracy in Russia from the moment when the prosecutor of Yeltsin's daughter for massive fraud found himself, the next day, on tv - or an actor - in a scratchy video that showed him in an orgy with prostitutes. This is the Mosnews summing up:
"Until recently, the best-known Prosecutor General of Russia was Yuri Skuratov, who in 1999 had accused Boris Yeltsin and his two daughters, Tatyana Dyachenko and Yelena Okulova, of accepting credit cards from a Swiss company, Mabetex, which won lucrative Kremlin refurbishment contracts. Shortly after that President Yeltsin tried to dismiss Skuratov, but the Federation Council had refused to approve the dismissal on three separate occasions. Later Mr. Skuratov was implicated in a scandal when a national TV network broadcasted a video tape depicting the Prosecutor General frolicking in the company of prostitutes. The implications were seen as punishment for Skuratov’s allegations. His dismissal did not take place until April 2000 after the election of Vladimir Putin, which brought an end to the standoff between the parliament and former President Boris Yeltsin."
It is obvious that Skuratov was a factor in the sad downfall of democracy in Russia, showing his disrespect for the baronesses and all.
I have to say, though, you've taught me something. I didn't know that the Magna Carta had that clause in it about the rich being able to get away with any crime they could buy their way out of. Gotta give that document a glance again. Is that what democracy is about? Due process of the law - unless you own the law? Interesting.
I'm glad you are hot on the trail, promoting Russian democracy.
What would it take to be the least bad Russian leader ever? Only kidnap minorities babies to be raised by ethnic Russians instead of full-scale genocide? The Russian government has long been Europe's equivalent of the crackhead cousin. Everyone has that one cousin or uncle or whatever that fucks everything up and no one wants to talk about.
Do you flatter yourself a Politkovskaya, Mr. Yglesias?
"Njorl, well, as you probably know, of course the same argument applies to Stalin. He did stop Hitler. He found the one unpurged military man who could do it - Zhukov - and he promoted him. "
Stalin only acted in his perceived self interest. Every action was meant to enhance his own personal security. For that one day, you can't say the same of Yeltsin. You can undo being a good man, and I agree that Yeltsin did that and more. You can not undo heroism.
I'm a bit baffled by (what I infer to be) Matthew's continual line that anti-Putin feeling in the West is nothing more than great power rivalry.
What would it take to be the least bad Russian leader ever? Only kidnap minorities babies to be raised by ethnic Russians instead of full-scale genocide? The Russian government has long been Europe's equivalent of the crackhead cousin. Everyone has that one cousin or uncle or whatever that fucks everything up and no one wants to talk about.
However, I'm surprised that you don't date the downfall of democracy in Russia from the moment when the prosecutor of Yeltsin's daughter for massive fraud found himself, the next day, on tv - or an actor - in a scratchy video that showed him in an orgy with prostitutes. This is the Mosnews summing up:
"Until recently, the best-known Prosecutor General of Russia was Yuri Skuratov, who in 1999 had accused Boris Yeltsin and his two daughters, Tatyana Dyachenko and Yelena Okulova, of accepting credit cards from a Swiss company, Mabetex, which won lucrative Kremlin refurbishment contracts. Shortly after that President Yeltsin tried to dismiss Skuratov, but the Federation Council had refused to approve the dismissal on three separate occasions. Later Mr. Skuratov was implicated in a scandal when a national TV network broadcasted a video tape depicting the Prosecutor General frolicking in the company of prostitutes. The implications were seen as punishment for Skuratov’s allegations. His dismissal did not take place until April 2000 after the election of Vladimir Putin, which brought an end to the standoff between the parliament and former President Boris Yeltsin."
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