Comprehensive Reform!

I thought Bush's comprehensive immigration reform was one of his few popular proposals.

Either way, I can't see this Congress doing too much; an immigration bill is a win win for both sides.

Before the midterm elections, the President of the United States was pushing an unpopular plan for "comperehensive immigration reform."

Do you have evidence it was unpopular? Here's one article that claims the contrary:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/18/opinion/polls/main1631566.shtml

That means the odds are good he can be forced into a liberal-style comprehensive reform -- one that's long on amnesty earned legalization and short on guest workers.

How does anybody propose to deal with the ongoing tide of illegal immigration without some kind of guest worker program or similar increase in legal immigration? The problem of illegal immigration is primarily one of economics -- higher wages here than there. Under current US law, there is essentially no legal way to supply the demand for workers from Latin America (outside of those who have relatives in the states, current US immigration quotas allow something like 5,000 workers to come here from Mexico). We're pretty much assured a robust black market, in other words, unless we allow more legal immigration. We don't have to call it a "guest" worker program -- although the plan favored by Congressman Pence (for instance) is a "guest" worker plan in name only, since it quite sensibly allows such "guest" immigrants to apply for green cards in the fullness of time.

Anyway, what I'm saying is: if we only do an amnesty, we'll be dealing only with those illegals who are already here, and we'll therefore be continuing our non-sensical, doomed-to-fail de facto prohibition of non-family immigration from the Western Hemisphere. We'll be repeating, in other words, the mistakes of 1986.

Please, Mr. Bush and Ms. Pelosi, give us amnesty. But please also give hardworking Latin Americans an orderly, regulated and legal way to immigrate to the US. They're coming by the millions anyways.

"The current vogue for immigration restrictions, meanwhile, is pretty clearly a consequence of the generally weak job market."

No.

The bulk of anti-immigration sentiment is on the right side of the political divide, and the motivation for immigration restrictions on the right has basically nothing to do with the job market.

How does anybody propose to deal with the ongoing tide of illegal immigration without some kind of guest worker program or similar increase in legal immigration?

Like Matt said, the program should emphasize the possibility of redeeming an entry that began illegally, or for guest workers to get full status. What one should NOT support is permanent second-class citizenship for immigrants. These "guest" worker programs screw both the immigrant AND the American worker.

The problem of illegal immigration is primarily one of economics -- higher wages here than there.

Right, that's the goal of immigration restrictions--higher wages here than there. That's not the root of the problem, that's the goal of the solution. And the solution is stricter employer sanctions.

the solution is stricter employer sanctions.

So true. The proposal I liked best is to entice illegal immigrants to expose the companies that hired them by rewarding squealers with legal residency.

The bulk of anti-immigration sentiment is on the right side of the political divide, and the motivation for immigration restrictions on the right has basically nothing to do with the job market.

It's hard for me to be certain, but I suspect you're more correct about border-state immigration foes than foes up here in the rust belt. A right-wing populist is perfectly willing to take leftist motivations into account if it excites the people.

What one should NOT support is permanent second-class citizenship for immigrants. These "guest" worker programs screw both the immigrant AND the American worker.

Agreed. One should not support "permanent second-class citizenship" for immigrants. One should support increasing legal immigration. Full-scale immigration, that is, complete with permanent residency. Which is what the Pence plan does. Clearly the word "guest" is used to make it more politically palatable, to give the impression that the "guests" will soon go home. In reality the vast majority will qualify for green cards, and will stay.

The proposal I liked best is to entice illegal immigrants to expose the companies that hired them by rewarding squealers with legal residency.

The view that "employer sanctions" is a magic bullet is delusional -- especially the idea about incentivizing "tips". The government already gets thousands of tips about the presence of illegal immigrants or workers. The problem is that: a) there are 12 million illegals, and not nearly enough government agents to tackle the issue; b) American juries aren't likely to convict fellow Americans who have been duped by fake credentials; c) the commanding heights of the US economy mostly don't employ illegals, so there are not a few big, juicy, evil corporate targets that we can tackle to end the problem of illegal immigration. Rather, there are many tens of thousands of small firms who do the bulk of employing illegals. The police state apparatus simply isn't up to the job, any more than it was up to the job of keeping Americans from their hootch in the 1920s. Prohibition doesn't work with drugs. It didn't work with booze. It's not working with unskilled labor, either.

America doesn't get a pass from reality. We're sitting on top of several hundred million people who earn a lot less than we do. We're going to have to allow a legal, regulated way for a few of them to immigrate. I know that sounds icky, but we'll get through it. Letting in all those smelly eastern and southern Europeans didn't hurt us none.

Right, that's the goal of immigration restrictions--higher wages here than there. That's not the root of the problem, that's the goal of the solution.

Surrounding workers with more capital and improving education will give us better results than restricting the growth of the labor supply. If what you say is valid, US wages should have peaked in 1608, Italy's should now be surging, and Ireland's should have plummeted over the last decade.

great post. it's the right combination: it's the right thing to do, it will get bipartisan support and it'll mobilize the nativists in the GOP to campaign against mccain. well thought out piece!! i was thinking that one drawback is that it might give bush a victory, but i forgot that he's a lame duck anyways.

"It's hard for me to be certain, but I suspect you're more correct about border-state immigration foes than foes up here in the rust belt."

I think the distinction holds across geographies.

Anti-immigration folks on the left are concerned about the labor market no matter where you go.

Anti-immigration folks on the right are concerned about non-labor issues no matter where you go.

And while there is anti-immigration sentiment on both the left and right, the numbers and the intensity are on the right no matter where you go.

The current vogue for immigration restrictions, meanwhile, is pretty clearly a consequence of the generally weak job market.

Is this true? Unemployment levels have been under 5% for a while now.

Illegal immigration is one of those issues that turns out to be pretty much a victimless offense. It is a problem simply because US immigration policy has restrictions that do not reflect the demands of the marketplace. The simplest, and least costly (though least acceptable to Joe Sixpack sensibilities) is to loosen regulations on immigration, and allow easier, freer border crossing. This would eliminate the need for a futile and symbolic border wall. It also allows more above the board revenue collection. In addition, all the regular advantages of immigration also apply.

As long as legal immigration is significantly increased and illegals living here aren't punished, I'm game.

Anti-immigration folks on the right are concerned about non-labor issues no matter where you go.

I realize that what you say makes ideological sense, but immigration seems like a populist issue on which the same person will make both leftish and rightish arguments without much concern for ideological purity.

In any event, there definitely seems to be regional differences in the immigration issue, so if every part of your analysis is "no matter where you go", then some part is wrong, because it matters where you go.

The view that "employer sanctions" is a magic bullet is delusional

It wouldn't be if we a had a better worker database check system. Make a call to the database, if the worker clears you hire them and you're in the clear, if the worker fails off they go. The system isn't perfect as it is, but it's doable in principle--and for the openness and transparency of our economy, it ought to be fixed.

c) the commanding heights of the US economy mostly don't employ illegals, so there are not a few big, juicy, evil corporate targets that we can tackle to end the problem of illegal immigration.

Given big business opposition to tighter regulation, I'm not sure I buy this. Even so, I think fixed worker check system would make enforcement more palatable.

Surrounding workers with more capital and improving education will give us better results than restricting the growth of the labor supply. If what you say is valid, US wages should have peaked in 1608, Italy's should now be surging, and Ireland's should have plummeted over the last decade.

Capital improvements are actually the cause of the problem in the first place--the American need for labor is dwindling as we're replaced by machines. Improving education is good--but there's always going to be a good portion of Americans who are either too old or otherwise unable to do well in school--but there should still be jobs available for them.

America doesn't get a pass from reality. We're sitting on top of several hundred million people who earn a lot less than we do. We're going to have to allow a legal, regulated way for a few of them to immigrate. I know that sounds icky, but we'll get through it.

Whatever level of legal/illegal immigration we choose to tolerate, one thing that needs to be made absolutely clear is that it's our choice. The only reason those immigrants are getting in today is because business interests have lobbied the government to back off on enforcement of any kind. (Which I think is the best argument for amnesty--these so-called illegal immigrants are here with a wink-and-nod from business/government interests, and its therefore hypocritical for us to punish past transgressors.)

Whatever level of legal/illegal immigration we choose to tolerate, one thing that needs to be made absolutely clear is that it's our choice.

It's already our choice now. We vote for more immigration with our dollars. Government rules are what keep that immigration illegal.

I have little faith in a worker database system. This would just mean another government bureaucracy to keep tabs on everyone. This means an absolutely secure way of identifying people. With a projected effectiveness as the "no fly list".

I'm still not sure there is a whole lot of actual harm done by illegal immigrants. Unemployment is low. The evidence that illegal immigrants steal jobs is rather scant. Many illegal immigrants pay taxes and deductions, either through fake SS numbers or legally through Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers. In some ways, they may be delaying the collapse of our SS programs by making contributions without ever having a chance to collect. Under the table jobs will likely remain under the table even with citizen employees because of the nature of those businesses (usually cash businesses and/or very temporary work). In the mean time, illegal immigrants still need to feed, clothe, and shelter themselves, contributing to the local economy (and tax base).

Its all about supply and demand, the average Mexican illegal has a 5th grade education, is America really lacking in unskilled labor? If there's a tight labor market for the unskilled, employers will either have to 1. raise wages or 2. automate. Either path is good for our economy. Look I'm sure just about everyone here is a college gradute, illegals will never compete for our jobs, but illegal immigration (and any form of amnesty will just encourage more) just kicks the crap out of the economic prospects of our fellow Americans who are uneducated.

Further, why do we want to reward criminal behavior? There are tens of millions of English speaking, law abiding, educated foreigners who would love an opportunity to work in the US. if we DO need foreign workers, why not give visas to people willing to obey US law instead of those who are breaking it?

Labor market dynamics have made the unemployment rate as reported by BLS using cps virtually meaningless. Better measures are the payroll numbers, the employment/population number, and (to a lesser degree) alternative measures of unemployment.

It absolutely makes sense to move forward with a comprehensive reform bill now. Why? Because in a non-election year, you can actually craft legislation that isn't built around the fact that the people affected can't vote, and the people who can vote are generally not the most knowledgeable on the issue. In short, you take xenophobia out of the equation, Dobbs permitting.

I wouldn't necessarily go with the Bush plan, which is all about the cheap labour. What I would want to see is an introduction of transparency to the entire process, investment in clearing the backlog of legal immigration bureaucracy, and proper consultation on ways to bring long-resident illegal immigrants out of the shadows. The polling seems pretty clear that a slender majority are smart enough to accept that 'deport them all' is not a policy, in spite of racist fucks like Tancredo.

Re: The bulk of anti-immigration sentiment is on the right side of the political divide, and the motivation for immigration restrictions on the right has basically nothing to do with the job market.

If you are talking about righwting ideologues, then you're right: they couldn't care less about the job market. But if you're talking rank-and-file righwtingers then the job market has everything to do with their sentiment. These people are well aware the job market sucks, but since they can't blame it on their leaders' policies they will blame it on immigration instead.

"But if you're talking rank-and-file righwtingers then the job market has everything to do with their sentiment."

If unemployment were 1%, and if wages were rising crisply every year, those folks would still be strongly anti-immigration. Their issues with immigration go well beyond economics.

It's already our choice now. We vote for more immigration with our dollars. Government rules are what keep that immigration illegal.

We vote for the cheapest labor the government allows. I'm saying the government should stop de facto allowing it. It is by government decision that the illegals find it possible to get it.

I have little faith in a worker database system. This would just mean another government bureaucracy to keep tabs on everyone. This means an absolutely secure way of identifying people. With a projected effectiveness as the "no fly list".

I find this concern disingenuous. Given that workers have to pay taxes, we're already keeping tabs on all of them.

I'm still not sure there is a whole lot of actual harm done by illegal immigrants. Unemployment is low.

So are wages.

If unemployment were 1%, and if wages were rising crisply every year, those folks would still be strongly anti-immigration. Their issues with immigration go well beyond economics.

SOME of those folks, not all of them.

I like the Machivellian attitude Matthew takes. The Democrats benefit from low levels of wage growth. So it absolutely makes sense for the Democrats to enact policies that perpetuate low levels of wage growth. (As it happens, I think the economy benefits from low levels of wage growth, so I also support policies that perpetuate low levels of wage growth, although my preferred policy is to combine stringent enforcement against illegals with a massive increase in the number of permitted legal immigrants, rather than reward lawbreaking through "earned legalization".)

I agree, Matt. Dems need to send Bush a message. As the GOP recriminations begin and more and more conservatives turn on the Administration, Dems need to let Dubbya know that there's an easy way to do things and a hard way to do things. If he allows himself to be neutered - passing bipartisan bills like immigration, stoping his anti-Democrat rhetoric, and generally making Dems look reasonable on targeted initiaves - the Dems will help soften the blow of the last two years. There will be investigations, obviously. And the hard truth of Iraq will be dealt with. But Dems will protect him from the right wingers who attack the Administration for undermining "true conservatism" by allowing Bush to show he can still get some things done in a bipartisan way. And the investigations won't be as bad as they could be. Democratic leaders will protect him from the bloodlust of the liberal base and ultra-conservatives alike.

Conversely, if Bush wants to play tough, the Dems will go for blood. They will push the investigations in the direction of impeachment. They will partner with the GOP congressional insurgents attacking the Administration from the right (as well as Senate moderates like Hagel coming from the center). Dems will facilitate a political bloodbath that leaves his legacy in shambles. They will ensure his popularity plummets to unheard of depths.

Appeal to Bush's self-interest. If he makes Democrats look moderate and productive, they won't actively destroy his presidency. If he takes the fight to Dems, they will form a coalition with angry Republicans that goes for the jugular. When his approval ratings hit the teens, impeachment will be almost a necessity.

It's a win/win for Dems. If Bush will compromise, Dems can keep his popularity at an unthreatening 30% and exploit the unhinged, ultra-right rhetoric coming from the GOP base, which is foolishly forcing the entire party to the right. The Dems look sane, reasonable, and productive -- and increase their lead in 2008. If Bush stays irrational, he will remain their primary foil, which will work just as well in 2008 as it did this year.

In addition to immigration, the other "big issue" for Dems to work with Bush is global warming. We've heard rumors that Bush was going to make dependence on foreign oil a major change in focus for a while now (always seemingly after the next election). Dems need to approach Bush and let him know this is a big Presidential Legacy issue that they can help him with. With their help, he can pull a "Nixon goes to China" moment with his oil company buddies and come up with a plan addressing both global warming and Middle East terrorism concerns. When hard right Republicans come after Bush for being a tree hugger, the Dems will protect him (while saving all those nuggets of GOP insanity for '08).

There is an easy way and a hard way for President Bush. If he gets out of Iraq voluntarily (without scapegoating Dems), they will let him save some face. If he'll partner on some big, intractable problems like immigration and global warming, they'll help preserve (create?) his legacy. Fight the Dems? It will be a bloodbath -- and not a single thing will change in '08...

I know some liberals regard this type of "compromise" as capitulation, but it's really not. Bush must neuter himself to receive these benefits. If he will not change, he'll receive no quarter.

Further, why do we want to reward criminal behavior? There are tens of millions of English speaking, law abiding, educated foreigners who would love an opportunity to work in the US. if we DO need foreign workers, why not give visas to people willing to obey US law instead of those who are breaking it?

Why reward criminal behavior? Because it does good, not harm. The more important question is why they should be considered illegal. Why doesn't the US give out more visas? Good question. You can thank central planning for an immigration policy that has absolutely no basis on in market demands.

If there's a tight labor market for the unskilled, employers will either have to 1. raise wages or 2. automate. Either path is good for our economy.

I'm not sure 1 helps anyone, especially if it prices wares out of the market. Number 2, assuming any given industry can be automated, doesn't help unskilled Americans, either.

Really, if an American cannot compete with someone who "has a 5th grade education", doesn't speak English, and has no specialized skills, whose fault is that? And why should we subsidize such incompetence by restricting immigration?

The new Fake Al isn't strident enough.

Don't be too sure the Democrats wouldn't pass a bad guest-worker provision. Here in Washington State, both our Democratic Senators are strong proponents of a guest-worker program. This isn't just part of a compromise between Kennedy and McCain that they're going along with for the sake of getting something out. They're actually advocates of it.

Matt:

1. If importing millions of Latinos would be good for the Democrats, would you likewise support the GOP trying to import millions of likely GOP voters, such as Asians and Europeans?

2. Matt probably isn't aware of the political influence that the Mexican government has in the U.S., so I'd suggest he does some research. Then, he can tell us whether he cares about giving MX even more political power inside the U.S. And, if he does think that's an issue, tell us what he intends to do about it.

To the reader: don't trust any CIR supporters unless they answer in detail all of the objections to their plan.

Shecky says: "I'm still not sure there is a whole lot of actual harm done by illegal immigrants."

The U.S. FederalReserve wants to profit from illegal immigration (by helping banks send money from illegal aliens in the U.S. back home).

So, I guess as long as you support massive corruption at the top levels of our government, everything's just fine.

Shorter El Wacko: read my monomaniac blog! Hate Mexicans!

So, I guess as long as you support massive corruption at the top levels of our government, everything's just fine.

Enabling some poor wretch to keep this family from starvation back in Chiapas is "massive corruption"?

You can't make this shit up.

Jasper: Illegal immigration is a multi-billion dollar industry, and is associated with various illegal actions. When the federal government - the entity that makes or enforces such laws - tries to take a cut of such illegal activity, that's indicative of massive corruption in the government.

Normally such corruption is only found in various kleptocracies and banana republics around the world, but now it's happening here because of those who try to hide behind "humanitarianism" in order to make a buck.

So, Matt, where do you stand?

Did you know that when legal residents are waiting for citizenship if they are elderly, disabled, ect. they collect ssi for 7 years. Then they must become legalized to collect. I just read a story where the woman was suing the govt. because her 7 years were up and she could not yet become a citizen. So, this woman immigrant is collecting social security that I will never see, despite having paid huge sums into the system. Sure, legalize millions more.
My brother-in-law had to move from the state because his kid came home from school with a Spanish accent. I know that sounds like a Monty Python skit, but if you dont understand his concern, you live in that perfect little walled communtiy dream world.
In California, a poll showed that a third of folks wanted immediate deportation. I know that is not the majority but if a third of the population feels that strongly on an issue -- immediate deportation -- should they be ignored?
I've been told that retirees will need several hundred thousand dollars to cover medical. So you are going to bring in million of folks who are eligible to bring their parents into the country? I can't wait till you folks have to wait behind 20 spanish speakers at the doctor's office for your Hillary Care. Which will also be broke.
I guess it would be too much for you to address the Mexicans crime rate and weak education levels. Hey, who cares as long as the blue state Donkey can win elections.
Steve

Did you know that when legal residents are waiting for citizenship if they are elderly, disabled, ect. they collect ssi for 7 years. Then they must become legalized to collect.

This makes no sense. If they're "legal residents" in the first place, why must they (again) become "legal" to collect?

So, this woman immigrant is collecting social security that I will never see, despite having paid huge sums into the system.

Steve, if you live long enough, you'll collect Social Security. There's not a shred of actuarial data to the contrary. Although I should point out that if collecting Social Security is your concern, then insuring reasonably robust levels of immigration is a key strategy, and slashing immigration (including the illegal variety) guarantees more financial stress on the retirement system.

In California, a poll showed that a third of folks wanted immediate deportation. I know that is not the majority but if a third of the population feels that strongly on an issue -- immediate deportation -- should they be ignored?

Sadly they're far from "ignored". The rank and file GOP in Washington have been busy of late pandering to them.

"The current vogue for immigration restrictions, meanwhile, is pretty clearly a consequence of the generally weak job market. Said weak job market, meanwhile, is a political asset for Democrats all things considered."

There are other reasons for the outcry against illegal immigration. Things are not going well with hispanic assimilation on average:

UC Irvine Study:
http://today.uci.edu/news/release_detail.asp?key=1529
Study sheds light on how young adult children of immigrants assimilate

Largest, longest study of children of immigrants reveals certain groups are left behind

Irvine, Calif., October 4, 2006

While the vast majority of young adult children of immigrants experience upward economic and social mobility, a new study finds that a significant minority are suffering from lower levels of education, lower incomes, higher birth rates and higher levels of incarceration. Furthermore, it is the U.S.-born children of Mexican, Haitian and West Indian immigrants who experience these problems in the largest proportions.

The study, led by sociologists Rubén G. Rumbaut of UC Irvine and Alejandro Portes of Princeton University, appears online this week in the Migration Information Source. The largest and longest-running study of children of immigrants yet conducted, the study also confirms the critical importance of education.

“The greatest educational disadvantage is found among children of Mexican immigrants and Laotian and Cambodian refugees in our sample – close to 40 percent of whom did not go beyond a high school diploma,” said Rumbaut. “Education is the key to successful upward mobility among children of immigrants, so the discrepancies that emerge in educational achievement among immigrant groups tend to persist in trends for income, employment and incarceration.”

The researchers also point to the influence of human capital (the skills and education of immigrant parents) as well as family structure, racial prejudice and government policies toward certain immigrant groups – particularly the undocumented – that influence this “downward assimilation” process.

The researchers found that children of Laotian and Cambodian Americans as well as Haitian Americans had the lowest median annual household income at just over $25,000. They were followed closely by Mexican American families, which had a median annual household income of about $30,000. On the other end of the spectrum, children of upper-middle-class Cuban exiles in Southern Florida reported a household income of more than $70,000, and Filipino Americans in Southern California had more than $64,000, followed by Chinese immigrants.

Furthermore, the study found that the most educationally and economically disadvantaged children of immigrants were most likely to have children of their own at a young age, compounding their difficulties at pursuing higher education. When surveyed at the average age of 24, none of the Chinese Americans had children, while in contrast 25 percent of Haitians, West Indians, Laotians and Cambodians did, as did 41 percent of Mexican American young adults.

Differences in arrest and incarceration rates are also noteworthy, particularly among second-generation, U.S.-born, males. While only 10 percent of second-generation immigrant males in the survey had been incarcerated, that figure jumped to 20 percent among West Indian and Mexican American youths.

“Unfortunately, these trends perpetuate the racial and ethnic stereotypes that contributed to their situation in the first place,” Rumbaut said. “On the positive side, we see that children of immigrant families with little money and low human capital can move forward positively in American society. But there is clearly a minority segment among the native-born children of some immigrant groups that is getting caught in a cycle of downward mobility, and we need to understand the trends that drive this process.”

There are more than 30 million U.S.-born children of immigrants. Rumbaut is continuing to explore the major events influencing the social outcomes of the immigrant second generation, focusing on early childbirth for women and incarceration among men.

About the Study: The surveys were conducted over more than 10 years with random samples representing 77 different nationalities originally drawn in 1991 in San Diego, Calif., and Miami/Ft. Lauderdale, Fla., of more than 5,000 respondents who were then in junior high school, The most recent surveys were conducted from 2001 to 2004 when the respondents were between the ages of 23 and 27. The surveys are part of the Children of Immigrants Longitudinal Study, which was designed to examine the in-depth interaction between immigrant parents and their children and the evolution of the young from adolescence into early adulthood. Results from the CILS surveys provide the most compelling current evidence to date of how the second generation adapts – from education and income to unemployment, family formation and incarceration. The study was funded with support from the Russell Sage Foundation. More: www.russellsage.org.

Jasper, I wish you respond to all my points. When 10 to 20 million become legal and can bring their poor relatives in it is going to be good times?

The crime rates? The education rates? A guaranteed welfare state? Their elderly relatives and their medical needs?
The other night I stood by while four young healthy males speaking spanish waited while a woman bought the mixings for a big chicken barbecue with food stamps. The last straw was when she asked em if they wanted drinks and they all grabbed juices. I thought that was the last straw but they climbed into an SUV with custom rims.
Does my morale as a citizen count for anything? See you in the ruins.
Steve

By all means! Bring in more peasants! Ever since the 60s and that damn civil rights nonsense, the blacks are just too uppity to make decent help. But Mexicans are so chamingly servile, and cheap, to boot. But the main advantage of Mexican peasants is that they come from a place that is used to client-patron relations, so they will be properly grateful for the benefits democrats hand out to them, unlike the damn native redneck whites who still have faint memories of ridiculous, outdated concepts like "liberty" and "self-reliance"...

Just the other day, I was looking around and I asked myself, why can't America be more like Mexico? They bring so much innovation, like um, well, working for low wages and higher crime rates than the US average.

Surrounding workers with more capital will raise output. Latin American immigration lowers the amount of capital and education per worker.

But third world immigration sure does help white Democrats get elected. That's what important, not the living standards of poor and working class Americans.

Illegal immigrants from Mexico are allowed to vote and they are not second class citizens: in Mexico.

While the vast majority of young adult children of immigrants experience upward economic and social mobility, a new study finds that a significant minority are suffering from lower levels of education, lower incomes, higher birth rates and higher levels of incarceration. Furthermore, it is the U.S.-born children of Mexican, Haitian and West Indian immigrants who experience these problems in the largest proportions.

By all means! Bring in more peasants! Ever since the 60s and that damn civil rights nonsense, the blacks are just too uppity to make decent help. But Mexicans are so chamingly servile, and cheap, to boot. But the main advantage of Mexican peasants is that they come from a place that is used to client-patron relations, so they will be properly grateful for the benefits democrats hand out to them, unlike the damn native redneck whites who still have faint memories of ridiculous, outdated concepts like "liberty" and "self-reliance"...

By all means! Bring in more peasants! Ever since the 60s and that damn civil rights nonsense, the blacks are just too uppity to make decent help. But Mexicans are so chamingly servile, and cheap, to boot. But the main advantage of Mexican peasants is that they come from a place that is used to client-patron relations, so they will be properly grateful for the benefits democrats hand out to them, unlike the damn native redneck whites who still have faint memories of ridiculous, outdated concepts like "liberty" and "self-reliance"...

The researchers found that children of Laotian and Cambodian Americans as well as Haitian Americans had the lowest median annual household income at just over $25,000. They were followed closely by Mexican American families, which had a median annual household income of about $30,000. On the other end of the spectrum, children of upper-middle-class Cuban exiles in Southern Florida reported a household income of more than $70,000, and Filipino Americans in Southern California had more than $64,000, followed by Chinese immigrants.

By all means! Bring in more peasants! Ever since the 60s and that damn civil rights nonsense, the blacks are just too uppity to make decent help. But Mexicans are so chamingly servile, and cheap, to boot. But the main advantage of Mexican peasants is that they come from a place that is used to client-patron relations, so they will be properly grateful for the benefits democrats hand out to them, unlike the damn native redneck whites who still have faint memories of ridiculous, outdated concepts like "liberty" and "self-reliance"...

The gang violence in Mexico is disturbing. That country seems to be veering out
of control and no one is paying much attention. The federal government has lost
control over some areas like Acopulco thanks

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