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It's good to see you embracing progressivism more fully, now that we've started winning, Matt. Don't leave us when the greedheads enjoy a resurgence.

It's good to see you embracing progressivism more fully, now that we've started winning, Matt.

Dude, I wrote the aforelinked article on the evils of moderate republicans in July 2005 when progressives certainly weren't winning. Progressive politics is doing better because people have moved their views to the left, there aren't people moving left because progressives are winning.

CNN is reporting that Ms. McCaskill just won in Missouri.

All we need now is President Gray Davis, Attorney General Jerry Brown, and a nationwide ban on smoking in public and the New Age will have arrived.

Dude, I've been reading your stuff for a long time--long before 2005. You're a real bright guy, and your temptation to forge good arguments leads you away from the progressive fold sometimes when you might want to settle for chewing on the reasons for why the conventional progressive wisdom has become so conventional.

Just don't become Mike Kinsley, I guess I'm sayin'. You're going to be presented with the opportunity to be big time, I'd say; it'd be a shame if your contrarianism morphed into that.

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Forging good arguments is not a temptation, it is a necessity.
Yglesias hasn't been presented with anything he has worked for it by consitently writing good pieces.

Forging good arguments is not a temptation, it is a necessity.

No, if you're actually committed to a cause, you're well-advised to restrict yourself to those arguments that support your side. Otherwise, you're a gun for hire with good arguments.

So you support making bogus arguements if it supports your side?
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So you support making bogus arguements [sic] if it supports your side?

Sure. But I'm a lawyer; it's my job.

But good arguments are surprisingly easy to come up with, and Matt used to revel in tweaking the left as a way to ingratiate himself with other "thinkers." Then he discovered, at least in the case of the war, that Lo! and Behold! he was fucking wrong.

But I'm happy to be a wingnut.

Matt's the real thing, he has integrity. He's shed any elements of that TNR / Harvard "contrarian" points-scoring he once had, and he's straight up apologized for his long ago pro-war views (something none of the older, more famous pro-war pundits have done). For years now he's been pounding on the more popular hypocrisies and stupidities of the split-the-difference "moderates", he's been devastating on the "anti-anti-war" crowd. His recent work especially has shown a willingness to question a lot of the underlying assumptions of U.S. militarism. On this blog in particular he's been courageous, honest, and more than willing to question our current rotten "centrist" conventional wisdom.

Sure, I think he'll get famous someday. But that will be a GOOD thing. He hasn't tried to sell out yet, and I don't think he will in the future.

I am drunk. Matthew for umpteen years has been brilliant, and benevolent, but now MY is relevant. No more intercepting and deflecting the bad stuff, now some good things can happen. There will be pain and failure, but god bless opportunity. These are now times of possibility. Good luck.

On the subject of Leach and not of Yglesias's illustrious career, Matt must be too young to remember Leach's infamous role at the beginning of the Whitewater "scandal." As chair of (I believe) the House Banking Committee, he was a water-carrier for the most loathsome elements of his party. In fact, his "moderate" image and demeanor gave the "scandal" an impact that it plainly did not deserve. People with longer memories are very, very glad to see him gone, finally.

My own Rep. (Gilchrist in MD)is another one of the rare decent Republicans. But as you say, his moderate stances on issues were practically meaningless. It's nice he voted against the torture bill, but it didn't matter. By caucusing with the GOP, his one important vote was for the wrong side.

My hope is that now the House is in Democratic hands, he and whatever other moderate Republicans are still left will now actually matter a little more, since they might be willing to cross the aisle and help support some legislation that the Dem side brings forward.

K has it right. I went to one of Leach's town hall meetings in Iowa City during the Whitewater investigation. Leach was continually peppered w/ questions of what was the point of the investigation (it had being going on for a while w/ most of the relevant info having been determined). All he kept saying (paraphrasing) was "Wait there is more and it will prove the Clintons nefarious deeds." He was a sanctimonious ass. Glad he's gone.

I'm afraid you've been misled by spin. Leach and Hagel are very different animals.

Leach was THE left-most Republican in the House, the Republican most likely to vote with Democrats. Not all that often -- he was still a good Republican -- but often enough to support your point.

In contrast, Hagel may talk like a centrist, he votes as a mainstream conservative. His record puts him square in the middle of today's Senate Republicans (a group that is itself very conservative by historical standards).

For example, Hagel votes much more conservative than John McCain, who nobody calls a centrist.

Watch what they do, not what they say.

>>Matt must be too young to remember Leach's infamous role at the beginning of the Whitewater "scandal." As chair of (I believe) the House Banking Committee, he was a water-carrier for the most loathsome elements of his party.

Amen. When Henry Reuss (D-WI) was chairman of Hosue Banking Leach sabotaged a financial institution reform bill that would have precluded the Savings & Loan mess.

>>Matt must be too young to remember Leach's infamous role at the beginning of the Whitewater "scandal." As chair of (I believe) the House Banking Committee, he was a water-carrier for the most loathsome elements of his party.

Amen. When Henry Reuss (D-WI) was chairman of Hosue Banking Leach sabotaged a financial institution reform bill that would have precluded the Savings & Loan mess.

Yes, Leach is a good fellow. I have met him and he is the real deal. BUT, he was an ENABLER. His vote helped put the thugs who have run the House for a dozen years in power. As such, despite all of his good qualities, he had to go.

I agree with this post, with "Sherwood Boehlert" in the place of "Jim Leach". It would have been sad to see Boehlert lose this year...fortunately he retired with dignity after becoming totally disgusted with his party's leaders.

If by lack of personal courage and savvy you mean unwilling to engage in dirty, no-holds-barred, power-grabbing politics, than you are correct about Leach. Leach became "useless" as the Republican leadership became dominated by uberpartisan, power-hungry, corrupt politicians. This is not a knock on Leach, it is a knock on the path the Republican Party has taken. The Leach-Loebsack race was civil and issue-oriented, and should stand as an example of how political contests should be fought. That said, us liberals in Johnson County just couldn't stand being represented any longer by someone with an "R" behind his name.

Leach's defeat is sweet. He was one of the jihadists who went after the Clintons for the Whitewater pseudo scandal.

I am sure the Clintons are celebrating.

Beyond what you've said about Leach, he was also the last moderate GOP House member outside the northeast. Following the 2002 defeat of Connie Morella -- the last liberal Republican anywhere -- this truly brings us to the end of an era.

Dude, I wrote the aforelinked article on the evils of moderate republicans in July 2005 when progressives certainly weren't winning. Progressive politics is doing better because people have moved their views to the left, there aren't people moving left because progressives are winning. Posted by: Matthew Yglesias

Democrats, progressive or otherwise, did not win so much last night as the Republicans lost. If "progressives" had somehow convinced Americans that their way was the better way, you wouldn't have had candidates like Tester winning in Montana, whose distinguishing political characteristic seems to be is that he's never taken money from Jack Abramoff. Otherwise, being anti-gay, anti-abortion and pro-gun, how is he substantially different from Burns?

I realize this is just one race. But if progressivism was really on the march, you'd have seen a change in Texas, more change in Ohio and Michigan, and a complete shits like Sessenbrenner and Lott looking at retirement next January.

The result of the political genius's corrupt, divisive tactics: “Bush’s Brain” meltdown. Karl who?

I think Leach was well aware his time had come. I think he was running this time more out of habit than anything else. On accepting defeat, he stated something along the lines that "this is the happiest day of my life."

In Michigan, you weren't going to see any more Democrats win than did win. Only the open seat in the MI-7th could have been taken. The rest of the GOP Congressional seats in Michigan were quite safe incumbents, including Hoekstra. In the 7th, Dem. Sharon Renier, a fricking organic farmer for pete's sake, lost by about 5-6 pts to a sanctimonious "preacher" named Tim Walberg in a solidly Republican district, despite a budget comprised of bottle return funds and change found in her sofa. And I mean that -- she had less than $2,000 on hand the week before the election, and couldn't afford a campaign. I firmly believe that, with $50,000 from the party, we'd have this seat.

So there was something afoot here -- Democrats DID win as much as the GOP lost.

The GOP became unhinged from reality, as evidenced by a thousand issues, and the voters unhinged them from Congress. Simply being literate and familiar with basic principles of science did a lot to help the Democrats.

I'll never forget the sanctimonious Jim Leach, clad in his homey sweater, leading the charge to impeach Bill Clinton, all the while claiming to be the voice of reason. I was ashamed to be from the same state. (cue the Dixie Chicks)

Good riddance!

I'll never forget the sanctimonious Jim Leach, clad in his homey sweater, leading the charge to impeach Bill Clinton, all the while claiming to be the voice of reason.

Yes. Leach had been on the right side of some important issues over the years, includng world hunger/poverty issues.

But his behavior leading the charge for impeachment was disgracefully smug, and unfathomably aggressive. I have never forgotten it. I have never forgiven him. And I was delighted to see him go down on Tuesday.
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Jim was one of only a few decent Republicans in the House, but as others have said, had little power to change the course of his conservative fellow party memebers. Leach never took a dime from a PAC. His personal fortune was acquired from his family, that owns Adel and Trachtenberg Plumbing in the Quad Cities, not from political payoffs. I have known Jim for 30+ years and his defeat, while sad, was inevitable. Had he challenged Jim Nussle a few years ago when redistricting put both of them in the same district, rather than moving to Iowa City, he most likely would have survived Tuesday's Republican conflaguration. Jim's only real lapse was not opposing the impeachment of Bill Clinton. I only hope his successor is as ethical as Jim is. If Bush was smart, he would dump Condi Rice, and appoint Jim either Secretary of State, or make him his National Security Advisor. He will not switch parties, but his beliefs are much more in line with Democrats than today's Republicans.

The politics of Kansas is very strange and difficult to predict. Few pundits predicted the demise of the great Jim Leach. The only Republican to vote against the war is tossed out with the tide of citizen anger against that war! I think you are right though, why Leach persistently stayed with the Republican party, given his voting record, is very hard to understand, and certainly he would have very little influence in a party of ideologs.

To Alan, you need to check you facts before you type. Jim Leach was the congressman for District 2 of Iowa. Kansas politics are irrelevant to this argument. And the reason that Leach stayed with the Republicans is the exact same reason that he is such a maverick in the party. As someone who worked for him as an intern, I was amazed at how Leach always acted for what he thought was in the best interest of the common good, and always voted as his concience dictated. The fact is, is while he disagrees with aspects of the Republican party, he disagrees with even more about the Democratic party. Leach was one of the last examples of a politician with true integrity and for that reason regardless of party affiliation, we all should be sad to see him go.

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It's good to see you embracing progressivism more fully, now that we've started winning, Matt. Don't leave us when the greedheads enjoy a resurgence.

It's good to see you embracing progressivism more fully, now that we've started winning, Matt.

Dude, I wrote the aforelinked article on the evils of moderate republicans in July 2005 when progressives certainly weren't winning. Progressive politics is doing better because people have moved their views to the left, there aren't people moving left because progressives are winning.

So you support making bogus arguements [sic] if it supports your side?

Sure. But I'm a lawyer; it's my job.

But good arguments are surprisingly easy to come up with, and Matt used to revel in tweaking the left as a way to ingratiate himself with other "thinkers." Then he discovered, at least in the case of the war, that Lo! and Behold! he was fucking wrong.

But I'm happy to be a wingnut.

K has it right. I went to one of Leach's town hall meetings in Iowa City during the Whitewater investigation. Leach was continually peppered w/ questions of what was the point of the investigation (it had being going on for a while w/ most of the relevant info having been determined). All he kept saying (paraphrasing) was "Wait there is more and it will prove the Clintons nefarious deeds." He was a sanctimonious ass. Glad he's gone.

Matt must be too young to remember Leach's infamous role at the beginning of the Whitewater "scandal." As chair of (I believe) the House Banking Committee, he was a water-carrier for the most loathsome elements of his party.

Amen. When Henry Reuss (D-WI) was chairman of Hosue Banking Leach sabotaged a financial institution reform bill that would have precluded the Savings & Loan mess.

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