Saddam Dead

The deed is done. Sad to see even something as justice for a major-league war criminal rendered tawdry by this administration. Here's a report on the infamous Anfal Campaign that Saddam wasn't tried for in order to spare Donald Rumsfeld embarrassment.

12/29/06 11:16PM del.icio.us this incoming links

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C'mon, don't you see that we've dealt a major blow to Al Quaeda with this? Your blind Bush hatred is revolting.

Oh, and don't forget the schools! And Mars!

Posted by: DMonteith on December 29, 2006 11:54 PM

They're going to paint the schools with his blood!!

Posted by: DivGuy on December 30, 2006 12:01 AM

This guy had some important angles on the history of our times in his head. I'm sure a lot of people are glad to see him dead for reasons extending a bit beyond their thirst for justice.

Posted by: SqueakyRat on December 30, 2006 12:28 AM

...so we can stop worrying now. Right?

Posted by: Dan on December 30, 2006 12:36 AM

A kangaroo court, a show trial, followed by a hanging. Not exactly justice. There is the rough justice argument that "hey, he was bad, he killed, now he is being killed", but by that argument a whole lot of people in this world could be executed. Justice is about procedures at least as much as outcomes.

Posted by: MQ on December 30, 2006 12:38 AM

Can someone please put together a few sentences on Rumsfeld's connection to the Anfal campaign? I clicked the link but the report is huge.

Thanks

Posted by: Texn Embsd by Bush on December 30, 2006 12:50 AM

Awesome, we won! Bush is the greatest war president ever. Now can we get out of Iraq?

Posted by: aleks on December 30, 2006 01:11 AM

I can't think of a better way to spend $1 trillion than to kill an old man.

Posted by: MattMcD on December 30, 2006 01:42 AM

Saddam possessed a tremendous amount of knowledge about a number of the most important events of the 20th century. It would have been good to keep him around for a few years to collect some comprehensive interviews for the historical record. And of course some of this material would have come out during his other trials.

One can speculate of all sorts of political motives for this very sudden execution. But it certainly creates the appearance of an attempt to avoid further trials, disclosures and embarrassments to major figures. Some of the Rumsfeld stuff is already on the record. But who knows what else might have come out.

Ah, well. The rest is silence.

The Saddam trial was certainly a creepy and absurd affair. Of course, Saddam contributed quite a lot himself to creating the overall spectacle of absurdity. It reminds one of Kafka or Ionesco, or one of those Cold War dramas about grey men lost in the labyrinthine illogic of an Iron Curtian legal system.

Posted by: Dan Kervick on December 30, 2006 02:14 AM

Hehe,

A $1 trillion lynchin'

Only a Texan could come up with that...

Posted by: alphie on December 30, 2006 02:37 AM

Awesome, we won! Bush is the greatest war president ever. Now can we get out of Iraq?
Posted by: aleks on December 30, 2006 01:11 AMCome on, I thought that Matt had already driven home that everything with Iraq now is politically motivated and timed. The verdict came down just in time for the election...

Now he is hanged, leaving enough time for violence to erupt in wake of the hanging (against other Iraqis and American troops)....which will give the administration the justification that the believe will be enough for their already planned "surge."

I know it sounds morbid....thinking that the administration pushed for a hasty execution because they expect an uptick in violence against american troops, so they can get justification for their "surge."

morbid? na, check that, sounds more like par for the course for this administration.

Posted by: zAmboni on December 30, 2006 06:13 AM

What a strange sight seeing the former head of a government being held accountable for war crimes committed while he was in office. I wonder if such a peculiar notion might ever make its way to America....

Posted by: Ron on December 30, 2006 07:31 AM

They got nice pictures out of the hanging.

This administration may not know how to fight or win a war, but they're good with video production.

Posted by: Petey on December 30, 2006 09:38 AM

"They're selling postcards of the hanging
They're painting the pastports brown
The beauty parlor is filled with sailors
The circus is in town
Here comes the blind commissioner
They've got him in a trance
One hand is tied to the tight-rope walker
The other is in his pants
And the riot squad they're restless
They need somewhere to go
As Lady and I look out tonight
From Desolation Row"

http://bobdylan.com/songs/desolation.html

Gets my vote for best lyrics in a song. Bush is taking us further and further into a world which the sane among us can only find frightening and appalling. Those butterfly ballots really did a number on the course of human history.

Posted by: Mitch Schindler on December 30, 2006 10:25 AM

Of course, the Saddam trial was reasonably fair, according to legal experts. But remember, those are only legal experts - not people whose first priority is to bash Bush. Those who put partisanship before reality would argue that the trial wasn't fair, but then those people aren't part of the Reality Based Community, as I am.

Certainly the Saddam trial was much better than that joke of the Slobodon Milosevic trial, which was conducted according to "international standards". But of course those who fetishize international law think the Milosevic trial was the height of justice.

Meanwhile, Matthew is lying about Anfal - there most certainly IS a trial. It's occurring right now. Even cursory research would have revealed this.

Posted by: Al on December 30, 2006 10:26 AM

let's look at the lead of the cite that al provides, shall we: "serious legal flaws." love your reality, al....

meanwhile, matthew notes that saddam wasn't tried for the Anfal campaign: is it your contention that he was? or is that claim of "lying" a projection?

Posted by: howard on December 30, 2006 10:58 AM

I'll note that Saddam was a stand-up guy at the hanging. Calm chat with the executioner, and graceful following of the instructions.

While I share the common revulsion against brutal tyrants and their inhuman consequences, I'm also always a sucker for an aesthetically successful tough guy. I like Omar and Marlo on The Wire, and I appreciate Saddam for ending the chapter with the proper style.

-----

Interestingly, much like George W. Bush, Saddam also didn't know how to fight or win a war.

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And finally, can we now say, Mission Accomplished! and bring the troops home?

Posted by: Petey on December 30, 2006 11:11 AM

I've been opposed to this war from 2002 until the present, but I did experience about a brief flight of fancy that led to a 3 minute change of opinion.

The night of the ground invasion, which the humvees rolling ghostly north through Iraq, undefended and undeterred, and I thought - hey - wouldn't it be cool if they rolled into Baghdad, picked up Saddamn, left the government in control of the #2 Ba'athist, and turned right 'round baby, like a record player, and left Iraq that same day.

The flight of fancy only lasted 3 minutes as my friend and I simultaneously said, "But it ain't gonna play out that way, of course." We laughed, and went out for drinks.

Haven't been playing much attention since that day. Did we win the war?

Posted by: Petey on December 30, 2006 11:27 AM

Yes, howard, the trial was not perfect, but reasonably fair. As I pointed out, if you compare Saddam's trial to the Milosevic farce - which WAS being conducted according to "international standards", I'd much prefer the Saddam trial.

As far as Anfal goes, are you saying there isn't a trial?

Posted by: Al on December 30, 2006 12:34 PM

Are you saying Saddam is a defendant in that trial? Now that would be impressive.

Posted by: Hoyt Pollard on December 30, 2006 12:44 PM

I'm saying Saddam was a defendant in that trial. And that trial is ongoing.

Posted by: Al on December 30, 2006 12:47 PM

To view a cynical and sarcastic visual of George Bush playing a round of "Hangman"...link here:

www.thoughttheater.com

Posted by: Daniel DiRito on December 30, 2006 02:27 PM

I'm saying Saddam was a defendant in that trial. And that trial is ongoing.

Two words: Ken Lay. That old bastard's family gets to keep his moolah now that he's shuffled off to the void, and one presumes the mooting principle applies.

As Jim Henley notes, the tribunal had to look pretty fucking hard to find an example of Saddam's brutality that didn't involve discussing the assistance and leeway given him by certain countries:

it’s also true that the US and its Iraqi allies chose to try Saddam on one of his relatively minor crimes because if they did so they could get him safely hung before they had to try him for the major ones, the gas attacks and massacres that happened during The Years of Playing Footsie with the United States.

And, as Henley also notes, Dujail represents the kind of bloody reprisals that the wingnut chickenhawk fraternity is demanding in Iraq and elsewhere.

Let's see if the Anfal trial delves too deeply into foreign indifference and complicity.

Posted by: pseudonymous in nc on December 30, 2006 02:28 PM

AI: I don't think that Saddam's trial was a 'kangaroo court' as some have suggested, but if you think that Human Rights Watch's and Amnesty International's "first priority is to bash Bush" then the you really don't know what you're talking about. There's a debate about Saddam's trial, even though there is not a serious debate about whether he was guilty. It's not obvious, as you say, that it was a really good trial, or that he was tried for enough crimes. Once again, criticism of anything in Iraq is simply chalked up to rabid irrational Bush hating.

Posted by: Jeremiah J. on December 30, 2006 04:04 PM

New rule: Anytime Al accuses you of lying, you can rest assured that means you're onto something.

Jeremiah, Al (not "AI" as in Allen Iverson) knows exactly what the truth really is. He just doesn't care, is all.

Posted by: JP on December 30, 2006 06:02 PM

Re: Saddam possessed a tremendous amount of knowledge about a number of the most important events of the 20th century.

Except for things local to Iraq, and perhaps the Middle East as a whole, just what information would Saddam have about anything important in the 20th century? My list of Most Important 20th Century Events would include only the founding of Israel, the founding of OPEC, the 1973 oil embargo and the Iranian Revolution that brought the theocrats to power for Middle Eastern events. What did Saddam have to do with any of those things?

Posted by: JonF on December 30, 2006 07:35 PM

Al, you've largely be responded to, so just to nitpick a minor point: yes, there isn't a trial. there will be a trial (according to your very link). and saddam, of course, will no longer be alive to be a defendant, and no US one-time friends of Saddam will be embarassed, and saddam will have been put to death for penny-ante crimes rather than serious ones (and unlike al capone, he could have been nailed for those serious crimes), which admittedly puts aside that i oppose the death penalty and would rather have seen him locked up for the rest of his life.

and yes, so milosevic showboated, so fucking what? that compensates for "serious flaws" in saddam's trial?

Posted by: howard on December 30, 2006 07:42 PM

Saddam, monstrous tyrant that he was, never left Iraq in 2003, although he was the subject of a huge manhunt. He could have. Some of his family did. He could have found a way to get to Libya, for instance. But he didn't.

On the other hand, where are the Iraqi architects of the fiasco? Chalabi lives in London. Kanan Makiya lives in Massachussetts, I believe. The former members of the Iraqi governing council spend more time in London than in Iraq. While one should shed more than a tear for the terrible exoduses forced upon all the Iraqis fleeing to Jordan, Syria and elsewhere, there is something wrenchingly tawdry about the way the first rats off the ship were the same Iraqis that lied the U.S. into war.

Posted by: roger on January 1, 2007 02:01 PM

I don't think this had anything to do with U.S. politics. That execution was wierd. They basically rammed him in on a day that's Eid for Sunni's and not for Shia and had a couple of Mahdi Army guerrillas throw the switch while they chanted to bring on the Mahdi and his son Al-Sadr. The whole thing was a big "fuck you" aimed at the Sunni and I really can't imagine the Bush people would have wanted any part of it. Either they got played or they have completely lost control of the country and are getting ready to bug out.

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