Does Jim Henley Control The Iraqi Police?
So this is pretty weird. Jim Henley did a post noting that Iraq doesn't provide the best circumstances for whoring or making time with the local girls, wondering who, if anyone, American troops were having sex with. He handed the assignment off to Spencer Ackerman, who's in Iraq at the moment. Coincidentally, Spencer was present for a meeting between an Iraqi police commander and a US army officer during which the Iraqi had the exact same question.
The official answer turns out to be that our troops aren't having any sex at all, but it doesn't seem especially plausible that this rule is being met with 100 percent compliance.
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The explanation might be that there are women in the military now.
I guess I should read links first before commenting.
One consequence of the unavailability of local women and the largely male makeup of the American forces is the Queen of the Desert phenomenon. Even the most Plain Jane female servicemember will find herself the object of male lust to a hitherto unimaginable extent. She will be like a prom queen at a Star Trek convention.
Not to besmirch the military or anything, but prisons are another example of an environment with little or no access to women, and we all know what happens there.
Lsstly, Iraqi has a relatively substantial Christian population. Could some Christian women be "involved" with servicemembers?
Maybe duty in Iraq is akin to prison life. Gives "I got your back" a whole new meaning........
I would imagine that much of the answer involves laptops and hands...? No?
mattsteinglass is right of course. They just masturbate a lot. But maybe we should ask Paul Hackett first.
I agree that this whole issue is fascinating.
Female military might make up the gap, the soldiers wife's worst nightmare, but though I have no data it seems to me that there really isn't all that much sex going on, though I could be convinced otherwise. As far as prison jokes I think that's a non starter.
The other traditional relaxation of the warrior is booze, and it doesn't seem like there's all that much of that either. In addition, soldiers have another motivation than young men are rah rah frat boys and like chicks and booze, in that if your best friend just got blown up and one doesn't want to think about anymore, chicks and booze will generally always get the job done in getting one's mind elsewhere.
Most generals though history could only have dreamed about the soldiers doing without like this, and wouldn't have believed it to be possible. Except for maybe Cromwell and his New Model Army, and I doubt even then.
Fraternization (sex between soldiers) is against the rules in a war zone even if it's between officers and officers or enlisted and enlisted. A significant amount of it still goes on anyway. Rape does happen, but by no means is all deployment sex rape.
Mattsteinglass provides another piece of the puzzle as well.
What some of them do, at least, is rape the female soldiers.
This appears to be a big big problem, with at least three female soldiers dead of dehydration because, during the night, they were too afraid to leave their tents to get more water. The preferred spot for attacking rape victims appears to be inside the bathrooms.
As far as I know this is both an extremely well-known issue within the military, and one about which nothing has been done --- which is another similarity with US prisons.
Just one more reason to mindlessly support all the troops all the time no matter what.
a friend who was in Iraq back in 2003 wrote to me at the time about how base internet cafes have just become online sex cafes. soldiers have headphones and video cams and so do wives/girlfriends back home (as well as using just regular old porn sites)who can IM or put on little semi-private shows for their soldiers. everyone studiously ignores what's going on at the computer next door. little privacy, but everyone's doing it. one base captain said once he stopped trying to control the online porn, there were a lot fewer fights.
I didn't think of the porn angle. That's sounds very plausible.
In every computer kiosk at Camp Victory there's a laminated sign warning that viewing porn on the Army computers is a court-martial-able offense. Yet I saw one particularly determined soldier tempt fate with gusto, and I'm sure he's not alone.
I must be dense, because I don't see in MY's link or the other two links any mention of the Salon "rape of the female soldiers" article.
I guess the Salon article is unfounded.
Related to the paucity of booze: I hear it is more than made up for with easy access to pharmacological substitutes. According to friend who did two tours in Iraq (mainly northern), the situation is better than Mexico.
Just an anecdote.
Maynard, the dehydration story appears dubious.
Salon article about rape in the military in Iraq: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/03/07/women_in_military/index.html?source=rss
Trying to prevent soldiers from looking at porn in Iraq is about the worst idea I've ever heard.
The problem with the whole "died of dehydration because of fear of rape" story is that it doesn't seem to be true.
I have never been in the service, so it is only a guess: it is not much different than the Catholic Church - a whole lot of man-on-man sex.
My solution would be to have a program that each month a soldier could spend 2 days in a location like Thailand, Georgia (our ally on Black Sea), Bulgaria (ditto) etc., where booze and other plesurers are available and moderately priced. There should be option for chaste (or sober) vacations, bit not an obligation.
They're screwing Gen. Peter Pace.
My son-in-law said that at his base in norther Iraq there was a small closet with a pc. A posted sign said "Be courteous. Clean up when you're finished."
Mostly soldiers on deployment just do without
A persistently pervasive urban legend among deployed troops since time immemorial, has been that the Army puts saltpeter in the messhall food, or the MREs, in order to get rid of the natural sex drive. I have no idea if saltpeter actually has such an effect (perhaps the name suggested the effect), but it always seemed to me that the grime, the long work hours, the lack of opportunity and dearth of temptation, and mostly, the effect of chronic unnopposed adrenaline, added up to more than sufficient explanation.
Hope this doesn't shatter anyone's romanticized image of the life of a soldier. Hate to suppress the rush to the enlistment offices.
They should make some Monty Python skits.
"Bromide in the tea" was the British army equivalent myth. Bromide actually was a mild tranquilliser. There's no truth to it...
Availability of sex and booze for the troops in Iraq is not so different from conditions aboard Navy ships every day of the week (at least while underway). There's no liquor unless you've managed to smuggle some onboard. Most ships have some women onboard these days, and some of them are getting together with their fellow sailors, and I guess there's some amount of homosexuality going on (but I don't think more than in the civilian world), but for most guys we're talking self-service. Of course, ships are pulling in somewhere more often than once a year, but it still not uncommon to be underway for weeks or even months at a time... which I'm guessing is longer than your average 21 year old can go without.
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