Madness Bleg
FreeDarko notes Kobe Bryant outscoring several entire NCAA teams, which seems like as good a hook as any for a question. There are several reasons why the college game produces lower scores than the pros. The game has, for one thing, eight fewer minutes. What's more, the longer shot clock reduces the pace. What I'd really like to know about is efficiency -- are there more or fewer points scored per possession in the average Big Dance game than there are in the average NBA game? By eyeball, the college defenses wind up giving up more open shots (in part because guys are too slow, and in part because the shot clock gives the offense more time to work the ball around) but college offenses miss more open shots, get many fewer easy buckets off penetration, and generally score less efficiently. But that's just me guessing.
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Zone defense and double teams are legal in the college game. Incidentally, zone defenses, when broken down, give up open shots, not "too slow" 20 year olds.
The NBA is the creme de la creme; the fifth player on the floor is not going to be a bank clerk or investment banker, he's a pro basketball player. Kobe is extraordinary, another issue. The NBA is a league that sells the individual, so such performances are encouraged. Please refer to Michael Jordan in college and Michael Jordan in the pros. Look at how much one-on-one clearout play there is in college...almost none. College coaches love teamwork. Teamwork slows a game down.
Firstly, 48 versus 40 minutes, a 20% increase. If a college team scores 60 points, a pro team will score 72 points, all things being equal. Shot clock, 24 (pro) versus 30 seconds (college), a 25% difference. If the shot clock is handled the same, this will lead to more pro shots, not 25%, lets say 10%. The score is now 79 -60. Continuation in the pros versus not in college...5 points a game; 84 to 60. Even in the absence of increased efficiency, rule differences would indicate a pro game would have have at least 40% more scoring than a college game.
Although not a college basketball fan, I have to agree with sockpuppet; the the zone defense accounts for a lot of the difference between the college and pro games. With a zone defense and everybody packing the painted area, it's much harder to get a layup (the highest percentage shot) in the college game
Offensive rebounds don't seem quite as common in the college game.
Last night Mich St scored about a point per possesion. North Carolina scored proabaly better than 1.25 per possesion. That seems as good as the offensive effeciency of most NBA games. Certainly pro players are better players, down the line. (More skilled, better athletes.) But watching NBA teams run the same pick and roll through an 82 game schedule and then into the playoffs is like watching paint dry. College ball at least offers a variety of styles, the intensity of a shorter schedule, and the opportunity for a genuine surprise now and again. Also, it's been a long time sense a college team up and left anyone's hometown for a better arena deal.
. College ball at least offers a variety of styles, the intensity of a shorter schedule, and the opportunity for a genuine surprise now and again.
So does the Pee Wee league down at the local Boys' Club.
No defensive 3 second calls or the little arc in the paint that prohibits charge calls in the lane mean that players can actually play defense in the paint. The pro game wants to encourage more pretty dunks for SportsCenter highlights, so they handcuff defenders.
The pro game wants more flash and entertainment compared to technical basketball. It makes it more boring to me.
Hey, some of those six year olds can play.
Looking at the NBA and college offensive efficiency numbers, the tops of the two sets appear to be pretty close to each other.
The numbers SCMT links to confirm my basic suspicion, which is that most good colleges perform at basically the efficiency levels of professional teams, but there is a long tail of really bad teams doing much worse. The teams you see in the tournament, by and large, are just fine on this measure.
Average tempo (# possessions per game) in college this year was 67, average in the NBA is about 90. Take 67 and add 20% for the extra 8 minutes gets you to 80. The difference between the 24 and 35 minute shot clock will easily explain the remainder of the gap (bot not in a directly linear fashion because teams will be likely to use much less of a 35 second shot clock than a 24 second one, as they generally are looking for the first good shooting opportunity).
No defensive 3 second calls or the little arc in the paint that prohibits charge calls in the lane mean that players can actually play defense in the paint.
The defensive 3 second call is one of the most sparsley called fouls in the pro game. Traveling is call more than Defensive 3 second.
As for the arc in the paint, if by defense you mean't contest shots or knock people on their behinds I'd be with you, but if by defense you mean people running over to get in the way of a layup at the last second so they can draw a charge, well, then we're better off with that little arc.
A certain lack of individual audacity inhibits college scoring. The coach often dictates the team-oriented offense and the relentless/monotonous pass-around results. Was a back-up shooting guard at Florida and even if I hit 2-3 3 pointers in a row- the assistant coach would give me grief. Except for 1-2 of the star starters- you have to sublimate.
Besides which, every time someone on a college team actually scores the ball, the crowd goes completely berserk. No wonder scoring stays low: If the crowd had to scream, yell, jump up and down, and high-five each other every time Kobe scored the ball, they'd be in a collective basketcase long before the game was actually over.
I think the biggest difference is the shot clock. Obviously, the game is going to be slower and this is at least the first problem. People who like the NBA style pace will hate this more than less 'efficiency' (even if they don't realize it) because it results in less of the kind of action that they're accustomed to.
But there are 2nd order effects as well. The longer shot clock allows for different styles of plays and probably allows for coaches exercising a lot more control over their players- dictating more specifically what will happen in any given offensive possession. This is a part I don't like that much. Not only do NBA teams have faster running offense, a lot of times they don't 'run their offense'. So you get more free-lancing and probably more fast breaks as a result.
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