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"It isn't what the title says it is, either"?

Castor oil in large amounts will cause kidney damage. (Any overdose of a laxative will do this.) The castored subject walks away, gingerly, from his poisoners and in a week or so, dead, without a mark on him.

It isn't torture so much as it's murder.

What's next: Jonah's "serious, thoughtful" explanations?

"The publisher chose the title"
"The editor chose the title"
"The marketing department chose the title"
"My agent chose the title"
"They picked the title at random out of a hat"

Appended with that now-classic explication of contemporary conservative philosophy:

" Ihad nothing to do with it. It's not my fault."

I wonder if we've gotten to the beyond-self-parody point with Jonah, yet. After all, would any actual scholar, like, say, Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., who was "too little the scholar" for Goldberg, or Juan Cole, who possesses inferior judgment (according to Jonah at least), defend their latest opus with the pathetic averral that it is "a very serious, thoughtful, argument that has never been made with such detail or such care" ? Isn't this homme dlettres (whose sense of historical thinking extends to lame Star Trek and cartoon analogies) being a tad brittle and defensive with this fact-free assertion?

Goldberg has long since jumped the shark.

I have a question that I really do not know the answer to - Is Jonah Goldberg only in his position because his mother was involved in the Lewinsky dust up?

The question is, would Jonah be where he is without that connection? Was he already an up and comer?

Don't forget, folks. Comparing Bush to any authoritarian is the hallmark of unseriousness.

Soooo....

Barack Obama (sorry - a person who works for a firm tied to Obama) saying Hillary is totalitarian = good
Jonah Goldberg saying Hillary is totalitarian = bad.

Got it!

I guess I missed the part where the YouTube guy claimed his ad represented a "serious, thoughtful argument." Otherwise, really great comparison, Al.

There we have the monster, Al, being monstrous.

Remember, the monster Al is thinking of supporting Barack Obama.

Barack Obama (sorry - a person who works for a firm tied to Obama)

That is some truly world class hackery right there.

Goldberg's book definitely falls under the "Ramesh Ponnuru Inflammatory Book Titles Rule", wherein you can't expect the other side to take your book seriously when you use a phrase specifically meant to anger them in your title. This probably applies to Jimmy Carter's latest book as well.

You're right, you're right. Matthew actually said people should be "somewhat careful" about calling Hillary a dictator. Being "somewhat" careful about that isn't the same as it being good. My mistake.

That is some truly world class hackery right there.

OK.

Man Behind the Clinton Clip Worked for Obama's Net Strategists

Mr. Goldbergs' mother has also claimed to have had an affair with Harry Truman. He definitely appears to be a chip off the old block.

I guess I missed the part where the YouTube guy claimed his ad represented a "serious, thoughtful argument."

I think I missed the part where he called Hillary Clinton a "totalitarian".

Man Behind the Clinton Clip Worked for Obama's Net Strategists

Yeah, his "net strategists" who don't actually do any strategy work for the campaign. And they fired the guy when they found out he made the clip. Clearly, we've all but caught Obama with the bloody knife in his hand.

It's always hard to tell if Al is just trolling for fun. Could he seriously be gullible enough to believe that Obama's campaign orchestrated this behind the scenes, with the intention of keeping the connection secret, and proceeded to put a link to Obama's website at the end of the video? I doubt it, but you never know. He seems to disengage his critical thinking skills when there's something that might make a Democrat look bad.

Al claims to be an American, but apparently he has no knowledge of American cultural markers, what they mean and when they are being parodied. His politics also read like a self-proclaimed anarchist who never looked up the meaning of the word "anarchy."

Goldberg's book isn't LIKE anything, indeed, it ISN'T anything, until he writes it.

An affair with Harry Truman?

That's like having an affair with Mr. Rogers.

That is some truly world class hackery right there.

Al is just channelling The Corner for us.

Funny how the talking point of choice is that it's not so terrible to bring up Hillary Clinton in connection with fascism, when obviously the most offensive thing about the title is that it lumps Hillary in the same category with Mussolini. I suppose that a book which talks about the evolution of an ideology "From Hitler to Bush" would be given a serious, thoughtful treatment by Al and his friends.

Could he seriously be gullible enough to believe that Obama's campaign orchestrated this behind the scenes, with the intention of keeping the connection secret, and proceeded to put a link to Obama's website at the end of the video? I doubt it, but you never know

Steve, I think this is the way these things usually go. Some (scare quotes) "outside" group or person, having all kinds of ties to the campaign, creates some controversial ad. The ad gets lots of play, including from the free media. The target denounces the ad and calls the ad's sponsor/creator a front for the campaign to which it has ties. That campaign says it has nothing to do with the ad, and meybe even (scare quote) "denounces" the ad. Hilarity ensues.

I mean, that's the way it went down with the Swift Boats, right? This seems to be on a somewhat similar pattern.

Wingnut books = written by people who can't write for people who can't read.

If everyone is getting it "wrong," that probably means that Lucianne's crotch-fruit can't write worth a tin shit.

Which would be shocking news, I'm sure, to all present.
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Castor seed is the source of castor oil, which has a wide variety of uses. The seeds contain between 40% and 60% oil that is rich in triglycerides, mainly ricinolein. They also contain ricin, a poison, which is also present in lower concentrations throughout the plant.

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I bet Jonah's premise is that we liberals have our faults, but at least we make the trains run on time.

I mean, that's the way it went down with the Swift Boats, right? This seems to be on a somewhat similar pattern.

Now you're just amazing me. You're seriously contending that the plan was to make this appear like something distinct from the Obama campaign when it wasn't, and the way they pulled this off was... including a link to the Obama campaign website in the video?

If you seriously can't see that a rogue individual is the most likely explanation for this ad, then you're beyond hope.

Not his fault. The title was created by the crew of the USS Abraham Lincoln.

Steve, let me ask you this, were the people behind the Swift Boat ads "rogue individuals"?

Is Jonah Goldberg only in his position because his mother was involved in the Lewinsky dust up?

Yes.

then you're beyond hope.

You had hope for Al otherwise? Why?

This is the same shtick Ramesh Ponnuru used about his ridiculous Party of Death book. "No, no, ignore the cover, and the title, and the blurbs -- I'm not responsible for any of that, and it has nothing to do with what the book's about." Amazing that right-wing publishers are going out of their way to make their authors look bad over their strong protestations.

He sounds like the little boy who has made his first poop in the potty: "It is a very serious, thoughtful, poop that has never been made in such detail or with such care."

I'm confused. This book doesn't exist, right? So he is defending the research on a book that doesn't exist?

Tell me this isn't so.

AL,

Thanks for the bait, this is fun. There's a difference between a tongue-in-cheek ad and a book length polemic, isn't there? I mean, when Apple ran the commercial in its original, non-parody form, they weren't claiming that IBM was literally a fascist movement. They were saying that the IBM PC was *boring*. From my humble vantage point, it seems like a clear difference. But your mileage may vary!

It's an "argument that has never been made in such detail or with such care." Truest words of Goldberg's life.

Steve, let me ask you this, were the people behind the Swift Boat ads "rogue individuals"?

When you show me evidence that the YouTube ad was financed by massive donations from major Obama contributors, I'll admit you have a sort of analogy. Will you ever admit that you don't have much of one?

You're playing a really annoying game here, where you take no position on whether the Swift Boat guys were or weren't in bed with the Bush/Cheney campaign, but because I "must" believe that they were, you think I'm somehow forced to admit that Obama must be secretly behind the YouTube ad because it's the exact same set of facts.

Tell you what, how about you actually take a position on what you believe to be true instead of just trolling, and maybe we can have a discussion.

"Not his fault. The title was created by the crew of the USS Abraham Lincoln."

that cracked me up.

So the new working title for the book is "This Is Not A Right Wing Screed - Really!"

"Mr. Goldbergs' mother has also claimed to have had an affair with Harry Truman."

Didn't Lucienne admit an affair with LBJ, not Truman?

She was pretty sure it was Truman, but during her fugue states sometimes her memory isn't 100%.

Castor oil in large amounts will cause kidney damage. (Any overdose of a laxative will do this.) The castored subject walks away, gingerly, from his poisoners and in a week or so, dead, without a mark on him.

It isn't torture so much as it's murder.

Posted by: Jeffrey Davis on March 22, 2007 09:16 AM

This is why the SA, Hitler's street fighters, loved to feed it to any political opponent they happened to corner in the street. Ever since Castor Oil has carried the brutal mark of Fascism. Maybe that's why we don't use it today?

MY - your cinematic education is not complete until you have seen Felini's AMARCORD (winner, best foreign film, 1974) - semi-autobiographical film that takes place in a small village in Italy in the '30s. In the movie, the father is suspected of anti-Fascist sympathies and is given the castor oil treatment. Many of Felini's movies are weird, weird, weird, but AMARCORD is definitely his most approachable.

When you show me evidence that the YouTube ad was financed by massive donations from major Obama contributors, I'll admit you have a sort of analogy.

You think that having the same funding source is a closer relationship than the Internet ad being created by a person from Obama's Internet firm? Come on.

Tell you what, how about you actually take a position on what you believe to be true instead of just trolling, and maybe we can have a discussion.

I don't know whether either was in in bed with the campaigns. But I think the evidence is a lot stronger for Obama's guy than for Bush's guys.

Re Professor Plum & John Emerson

Now that I recall, she claimed to have had affairs with both of them!

Castor oil? How about a little CASTRATION!

Is Malted Milk (JG) going to be promoting the thing on chat shows? I'm so excited.

Goldberg's book definitely falls under the "Ramesh Ponnuru Inflammatory Book Titles Rule"

The Goldberg Corollary: If you're going to come up with a book titled Liberal Fascism, and with that sort of cover, it really helps if you don't miss your deadline by three fucking years.

Otherwise all your complaints about being misunderstood miss the mark, when what's understood is that you're a lazy, lazy hack.

Perhaps Al is his ghostwriter.

For theCoach.
Jonah's mother was a skank long before Lewinsky. She was a dirty trickster for Republicans as a younger woman. Unfortunately her baby got on TV during the Lewinsky affair and he tried to make it sound like he knew what he was talking about. Just like now. He still has mommy's apron strrings close in case the LA Times wakes up and realizes what an @$ he is. It's amazing such a twit was hired in the first place. I guess that falls on the editors of the LA Times.

I am a librul-cala-fascistic-expialadocious kind of a guy.Have been for years.I don`t post much,but I just cannot restrain myself any more.I had to tell someone after all these years of pent up emotional confusion.
I have a question about Mr. Goldberg`s book title.I may show how dumb I actually am,but I thought that being librul was kind of the opposite of being fascist.I always thought that us libruls were supposed to be "left wing commie pinkos,"and over the years I`ve learned to carry that shameful stigma--sometimes proudly,I might add.
Now,I find out that my librulaty is really fascism.I`m very confused.What should I do?

I can understand the Right trying to hide their unbreakable link to Fascism (it is defined as a movement of the Right working in concert with industry and having a strong component of nationalism) but I'm baffled as to how they try to lay it on the Left. It's a bit like calling folks on the Right "Communists", it doesn't work no matter how one wants to tar the other side with "names". How do they get media people to repeat this nonsense?

Can we compromise by saying that Goldberg is serious and thoughtful compared to his mother?

"I'm baffled as to how they try to lay [the moniker 'fascist'] on the Left. It's a bit like calling folks on the Right "Communists", it doesn't work no matter how one wants to tar the other side with "names". How do they get media people to repeat this nonsense?"

The problem you are having is caused by your understanding of the meaning of words you employ. Conservatives do not limit themselves in this way. Essentially, words are used solely for their ability to (i) frighten, (ii) confuse, or (iii) anger. Thus, "fascist" has no actual meaning, it is a mere epithet, a scary and un-american sounding thing for tarring, and silencing, those who disagree.
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Interesting that Al pulls another of his 180s. Here he's putting down Obama staffer for his similarity to SwiftBoaties...whom Al has previously endorsed as accurate and sincere. Which is it? Well, Al doesn't really care. He's just typing words that he hopes will upset readers.

Al is paid to post bullshit on blogs, just ignore the ignorant piece of shit and he'll go bother someone else.

I'd bet anything that Jonah Goldberg's book will be at least as thoughtful as liberal academic Alan Wolfe's article comparing modern conservatives to a Nazi philosopher.

The problem you are having is caused by your understanding of the meaning of words you employ. Conservatives do not limit themselves in this way. Essentially, words are used solely for their ability to (i) frighten, (ii) confuse, or (iii) anger. Thus, "fascist" has no actual meaning, it is a mere epithet, a scary and un-american sounding thing for tarring, and silencing, those who disagree.

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