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Obama is mixed-race. We've already discussed this ad nauseum on another thread.

Did you just call him articulate?

I don't understand this post. What does Obama's base of support have to do with columns like Beinart's? How does it refute it?

To say that white people would be less inclined to support someone with a "blacker" countenance is to state the obvious. My problem with pieces like Beinart's is not they they're wrong but that they're banal.

Thank you for this post! My support for Obama has absolutely nothing to do with his race. He opposed the war. Also, I've seen him interviewed, and he exudes intelligence and good sense. I think I'm even more impressed with Obama than I was with Clinton when I first saw him in the 1992 race. I mean, I almost wish Obama wasn't black or mixed race or whatever. All the racial punditry is going to get tiring after awhile.

In terms of politics, his race will probably help him in the primaries to the extent that it neutralizes Hillary's popularity with blacks, but that's another issue.

Yeah -- Obama is an opportunity for American pundit to write about race, a favorite obsession for the left and right. But Obama's appeal is that he is a good speaker, right about the Iraq war, and brings an outside-the-beltway refreshing feel to a race that has a lot of tired, overexposed candidates. His blackness is not his most appealing attribute.

If Obama had been an Iraq-war supporting DLC hawk, he wouldn't be arousing much interest, regardless of biography.

Is Matt trying to counter the argument that white guilt is the reason for Obama's popularity? I'm guessing that's what he's getting at, but he never says it explicitly.

I'm sorry I missed the other thread where Peter proved conclusively that race in America is not a matter of self-identification, but a matter of whatever label people decide to stick on you. I'm going to still think of Obama as black, mind you, but thanks for settling the issue.

"Is Matt trying to counter the argument that white guilt is the reason for Obama's popularity?"

Oh, is that his point? It need not be guilt, exactly. A friend of mine (no dummy and he can't be the only one) says, how can you not vote for a black president? I see nothing wrong with taking his race into consideration; it would be of enormous signifigance to have a black president.

One of my problems with Obama is that it seems he's dealing with the inherently divisive nature of his campaign but shunning potentially divisive political positions. I don't know if this politically wise or not; in any case; it seems that the man best suited (or most willing) to pull the country to the left is neither the black man not the woman.

Barack "Crackhead" Obama supports the third-world invasion of the USA and thus should be tried for treason.

http://howardwasright.com/index.php/site/more/570/

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This should take some of the wind out of Obama's sails: Things are getting better and better. The President said so just today. Four years of war in microcosm.

The point many critics have made about Obama is that if he was not black, he would be just another politician. I think this is right. There are plenty of articulate young politicians with not much of a track record. Clean ones, even!

This does not conflict with the idea that people like Obama because he is more articulate, more correct on the war, etc., than the other pres candidates. You can't like someone until you first notice him, and getting noticed as a Presidential candidate is hard.

Running for president is a little like applying for a job when jobs are tight. The people skimming a stack of 200 resumes are going to throw yours out unless there's something extra on it that makes it stand out. Once they winnow down the pile to a manageable number, say, 5, then you get to compete on the merits.

Is David being sarcastic? Obama is stunningly divisive? I don't get it.

I have no problem saying that part of my support for Obama comes from his color. If he was an old school insider like Clinton I wouldn't support him, but a genuine liberal, untainted by Vichy Democrat cave-ins, who is also a mix race person with an international upbringing--WoW! His family history is the icing on the cake.

Obama won't win a single primary. He's way too inexperienced, admitted using coke, and is a Senator (i.e. not governor). Plus he's young.

The media is just puffing him up the way they did Dean because they need something to write about and make people care about an election that's 18 months + away.

Dean only won 1 primary (Vermont!) and didn't even come second in any primaries.

Obama will fade, too. This is all media-driven and pointless.

I don't know how much an effect Obama's race has on his appeal to me. I don't think it has much, but him being black is an essential part of him (just like Edwards being white is essential to who he is), so it's impossible for me to really know whether it has an effect. Since this question has come up 1,000 times already, I've tried to picture him as the exact person he is, only white, to see how I'd feel. But I can't really do it, because he's not white.

I do know this -- if he did not inspire me the way he does, if he was not dead-on about Iraq, if he was not self-deprecating, did not act like a leader, did not write phenomenally well and was not for achieving universal health care for everyone, I would not be supporting him like I am now.

I very much doubt Obama would be running for President at this point in time if he were white. That doesn't mean he wouldn't do so at some point down the road, however.

Something that shouldn't be overlooked is the role of the media in legitimizing Obama's candidacy. Quite a lot of his press is a direct consequence of his skin color, and the interesting backstory that is attached to that color. To the extent that Barack Obama is a media-driven phenomenon, then pundits using making up stories about the roots of his poliitical appeal as hooks for their own writing can really only benefit him.

Whether or not it's because of his racial background, there has to be some reason why so many Dems like Obama. Because, when you get down to the substance of his policies, Barry is less an innovative New Democrat like Robert Reich/Bill Clinton and more an old school LBJ-style War on Poverty-type liberal. Does being opposed to Iraq trump everything for Dems? If so, you'd be better off finding someone who's anti-Iraq but has some semi-plausible, forward thinking policy ideas.

Also, electing someone with zero executive experience President of the United States seems off-the-charts crazy to me. If you're really desperate for an articulate, Ivy-educated black guy to run for President, ask Corey Booker to run. He has more executive experience than Obama.

I clicked the Sailer link, and, against my better judgment, read some of his commenters. It's useful to do that once in a while, as a reminder. I wouldn't spend too much time there; it's damaging to the soul (metaphorical or real).

Matthew, I do not understand. Why would you link to a site consumed by hideous prejudice? Did you not understand how hideous this person was?

From the comments at Sailer's site:

Half-breed niggers like Obama are always going to turn to black nationalism. Malcolm X was a mulatto as well. They can't behave any other way because it is in their coon nature. They hate whites and their sense of inferiority to the white race drives their hatred.
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Who cares about Brack Obama's inner turmoil about his racial identity. If Barack Obama or the testosterone-flushed bull-dyke is elected, it makes no difference.

Anti-NATIVE BORN WHITE policies will continue,full steam ahead.

Whether it be Obama or the testosterone-flushed dyke , legal immigrant,asians,muslims,hispanics africans and their obnoxious "American" born gene-line wins.

Barack Obama and the testosterone flushed bull-dyke Hilary will encourage the race based nationalist politics of legal immigrant asians,muslims,hispanics,africans and their obnoxious "American" born gene-line.

Anyone peckish for bush meat?
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yes that's B'lack O'rama's appeal. This isn't rocket science. He's "black" and doesn't sound like it, end of story.
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"WHY is thuggery "acting black" instead of say, studying hard or various entrepreneurial activities like donut shops, etc? Stereotypes applied to Jews, Asians, etc?"

The reason is that the average nigger IQ is 85. That is why. Stop making excuses for these monkeys.
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I belive that there are very likely irreconcilable differences between Blacks and Whites.

I've been assaulted by blacks.
A female member of my family was almost raped by a black.

I wish they weren't in America.

There may be a fight to the death between US and blacks.

However, I do recognize them as members of the human species. They are not monkeys.
Recognizing blacks as members of the human species doesn't require White people to sit back passively and tolerate the raping of White Women,affirmative action and possible hispanic/black political, coalition against NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS

Without out a doubt, Whites have been way too tolerant of blacks.

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Matt, is this really a conversation you want to be part of?

Senator Obama says he opposed the war in Iraq in 2002. However,at the time, he was not in the Senate and thus was not privy to the phony information that the Bush administration provided before the vote on authorizing force against Iraq. I think it could be argued that had he been in that position, he might have voted for the war. In fairness to Senator Clinton and former Senator Edwards, they could not have known how phony the administrations' rational was or how incompetently it has pursued the Iraq adventure. Had the advice of General Shinseki been accepted and 300,000+ troops allocated to the task, and the regular Iraqi army had not been deactivated, the Iraq adventure might have succeeded and we would not be having this conversation.

I like Obama because:

a) he is a Democrat and not Hillary Clinton;
b) he is a Democrat and not John Edwards (who managed not to land a punch on Dick Cheney!);
c) he is really smart, unlike Hillary Clinton or John Edwards; and,
d) he appeals to apolitical people, which is a major part of winning national elections.

But I would say this about his race. The Republican Party has succeeded in part by feminizing white male politicians, and by hyper-masculinizing black men. Obama presents them with a dilemma they haven't figured out yet.

I read SLC's post and after I stopped laughing, I wanted to comment.

It doesn't matter that on Earth II, the goateed Bizarro Barack Obama who was elected to their Senate in 2002 supported the war. What matters is that on this planet, in this reality, he didn't. Because the war is the Democrats' best electoral asset. And neither Clinton nor Edwards can use it without looking like a loser.

"The Republican Party has succeeded in part by feminizing white male politicians, and by hyper-masculinizing black men. Obama presents them with a dilemma they haven't figured out yet."

And also masculinizing white female politicians to make them look like dykey bitches. Maybe they'll make Obama look like a bitchass crossdresser with a whip and a gun?

I like Obama for the same reasons I like every politician I like:

1) they're serious and pragmatic about solving problems, and
2) they don't make me cringe when speaking to persuade

And among Democrats I know I'm not alone in this.

I once walked out of a Gore rally in Seattle (can't remember if it was 1992, 1994 or 1996) because he was bombing so badly I felt sorry for him and couldn't take it anymore. And I'm pretty much a environmental single-issue voter, and Gore to his enormous credit has always taken political risks on the environment.

"Had the advice of General Shinseki been accepted and 300,000+ troops allocated to the task..."

Time to give the Shinseki stuff a rest. Even a broken watch is right twice a day. No one mentions today that:

1) Shinseki also said that 300,000 troops would be needed in Afghanistan;

2) With a regular army of 480,000 (down from about 800,000 at the beginning of the Clinton Administration), we didn't have enough troops to rotate 300,000 in and out of theater.

3) The flaw in the invasion of Iraq wasn't the number of troops, but the strategy. Instead of racing to Baghdad, had the same number of troops been used to invade more slowly and methodically -- keeping Saddam in place in Baghdad while systematically clearing the Sunni triangle of paramilitaries and destroying arms dumps -- much of the insurgency could have been aborted.

Re Dave

Mr. Dave has joined the 100% wrong club. The problem with the inadequate number of troops is that the US forces were unable to enforce law and order from the get go. If the number of troops requires was not available, the adventure should not have been undertaken in the first place. By the way, numerous other retired generals, such as Barry McCaffery, a division commander in the first gulf war whose military background and expertise is at least equal to Mr. Daves', also stated before the invasion took place that the force level was inadequate.

had the same number of troops been used to invade more slowly and methodically -- keeping Saddam in place in Baghdad while systematically clearing the Sunni triangle of paramilitaries and destroying arms dumps -- much of the insurgency could have been aborted.

Alternatively, had the same numebr of troops been left in the US, all of the insurgency could have been aborted.

Obama's best attribute is that he's not Hillary or the Breck Girl. He's the Un-Hack. His magic blackness may doom him or elevate him- there's no way of knowing now. He's not the pigeon Dean was and my guess is he's much more ready for prime time. He reminds me of a fair to middling light-heavyweight who wants a shot at the title but may not have the punching power. But, Hillary seems to me to have a glass jaw, and one good shot to Edwards' puss and he'll be nothing but a hank of hair and teeth. We'll see how he does in Round 1 (Iowa) but I wouldn't bet a nickel on him until after New Hampshire.

uh, some commenters here pretend like they have perfect access to their own cognitive subprocesses. one finding of cog. sci. is that the reasons people give are not always their true reasons. so whether steve s. is right or wrong, just cuz you say you like obama for x, y & z, doesn't mean that's the reason. there might be many conservative republicans who used to be democrats who sincerely believed that they switched from the dems cuz of low taxes, guns, etc., and not race. but do you believe them? psychological studies show that tracking southerners between 1970 and 1984 in their individual opinions re: race shows that they were pretty conventional racialists in 1970, but far more liberal in 1984. but the thing is they never recall being racialist in 1970, just people around them. they are unaware of their own change of opinion because they don't have full access to their mental subprocesses.

I wonder if Barack is a natural athlete, too.

Bet he could totally take Edwards in a game of HORSE

Lemuel Pitkin (I think you meant Puekin?) writes:
"Matt, is this really a conversation you want to be part of?"

The fact that Steve Sailer doesn't moderate his blog is a complement. It leaves him wide open to being smeared (you are a case in point), but he leaves it unmoderated on principal. And what you forgot to add is that the commentaters who mainly write disgusting comments like that are far outnumbered by those who disagree with them and in fact have often denounced them. You seem to want to imply that the comments you excerpted are the mainstream conversation on Steve Sailer's blog, when in fact they are not.

Censorious PC is counter-productive. People feel put upon and as a lot of people are living day-to-day...now they have to contend with comfortable or well-off yuppie slime telling them what they can or cannot say. Now, maybe if everyone had quality health care- there'd be less resentment. But, we don't have it and I doubt it's coming soon. If Obama really wants to get down and pick up that big redneck vote- he should make universal health care a big part of his platform.

Matt, could you please simply stop mentioning Sailer - he's really not worth anybody's while, he's not very intelligent, doesn't know what he's talking about (the brain), wildly correlates arbitrary factors in an unscientific manner and attracts a bunch of nazi hoodlums that spill over into your wonderful comment section.

what you forgot to add is that the commentaters who mainly write disgusting comments like that are far outnumbered by those who disagree with them

Nope. I excerpted every single (or maybe all but one) of the comments to the linked post. Sailer's commenters are racists, for the simple reason that he is a racist.

Lemuel pitkin, you selected the worst comments from the worst thread you could find. If Sailer's commenters are so categorically racist, all you had to do was take a random sample from random threads. You didn't for a reason, because most comments on Sailer's site are reasonable and intelligent, just as Sailer's writings are. A true picture of the average comment on Steve's site was not what you wanted to show at all.

Though they may not have been up at the time you took your excerpts, many commenters denounced the writers of those comments, as they always are. Those problem commenters are a sad, sick, joke to the rest of us.

Nope, I excerpted all the comments that were present on the post Matt linked to. No digging around involved -- believe me, I have better things to do with my time. The question for you, pjgoober, is why do so many unhinged racsits admire Sailer -- and do you really want to be in that company?

Lemuel is spot-on, pjgoober. You must be a closeted kkk member, pj, since you approve so much of mister sailer.

The very first comment on the above-referenced post is the 'nigger' post by a person who calls themselves '1488'. This is a secret handshake that white supremacists use in this country that stands for 'Heil Hitler'. Another person, too much a pussy to call himself anything other than 'Anonymous' continually spouts anti-black and anti-semitic crap throughout the entire comment thread.

Steve Sailer is a racist bigot. His 'ideas' attract racist bigots, and since he refrains from disagreeing with his vile sycophants, he obviously supports and condones their terrible hate-filled views.

If he didn't agree with them, don't you think he might mention it, oh, say, one time? Cause he doesn't.

Matt,

Please stop linking to people who are essentially white supremicists.

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