The Coulter Primary

I eagerly await the next glowing Time profile. "Willing to speak hard possible-if-improbable truths to the country."

Atrios is right. There is nothing a right wing pundit can do or say that will make them unacceptable to MSM.

To find left wing extremists you have to troll the comments sections of left wing blogs. To find right wing extremists just turn on cable TV, talk radio, read op-ed columns. MSM is always rolling out the red carpet for the most fringe right wing pundits, hiring, promoting, celebrating them.

It's going to take Democrats (both elected officials and associated pundits) going on TV show after TV show to denounce this type of shit.

There is something very disturbing about Romney’s character, at least from a public leadership/political perspective. It is not unusual for politicians to develop nuanced positions and move to the right, left or center based on political considerations.

However, Romney seems extraordinary in that he not only alters his position, but easily adopts and becomes the standard bearer of the complete opposite views without any regard for his prior views, prior elections won based on those views, or the people he was elected to serve.

I have heard this ability is at least partly based on the missionary/sales process that all Mormons experience. They are trained to tell people whatever it takes to get them to consider conversion.

There has been a lot of focus on his extraordinarily dishonest and opportunistic shifts on abortion and gay civil rights. There should also be a focus on the related matter of his breach of duty and loyalty to the citizens that elected him Governor. He still mocks the citizens that he misled to become Governor. Not exactly noble virtues normally associated with civic duty and leadership.

The man seems to lack a fundamental center of values and integrity. The courtship of Ann is another example.

Um, hello? Never media trouble for Republicans -- have we forgotten about Dennis Prager, just a couple months ago? People went livid, he was written about in most major newspapers.

And, Trent Lott, anyone?

Please, what Coulter said was offensive enough. Don't add to it by closing your eyes.

Ann is just despicable, but she is beneath our contempt. The only comment anyone should make about anything she says is, "Ann Coulter is a vile human being."

Don't add to it by closing your eyes.

Spare me. Maybe she gets a Time column. Hell, maybe she becomes a valuable part of Swampland.

I feel like I would be remiss if I didn't add an amen to Matthew's point.

I was what I perceived to be among the small percentage of people on the left (albeit slightly left, in my case) who thought Edwards was wrong on many levels to hire Amanda Marcotte and that he should have distanced himself from her.

So obviously in this case I have to say that it is unforgivable for Romney to be up there with Coulter, introducing her and what not. Unforgivable, that is, unless he later spoke out and distanced himself from not only Coulter views, but her personally.

I wouldn't have voted for Romney either way, so that's why I would tend not to speak about a Romney-Coulter thing. But if I would express my specific views, I would say that the right is much worse than the left in this area. And the media does play right into the hands of the right when they go after Edwards (and the left generally) for stuff, but they let stuff like Ann Couler being a significant figure at such a major Republican event fly by without much notice.

That, to me, doesn't mean we on the left should start acting like the republicans. First I don't think that would work as well for both sides, and even if it did work for progressives, it's not worth the moral price.

Anyways, yea Ann Couler is beyond the pale. And any politician who hobnobs with her in public like that deserves all the scrutiny and more that John Edwards was recently subject to.

BTW, Couler, David Horowtiz, Limbaugh, any of these people should be marginalized instead of legitimized.

Matt, you're sort of missing an important piece of the picture. Republicans now get in trouble when they make racist comments, as Trent Lott and George Allen did. This is because overt racism is now electoral poison, and Republicans will eat their own to avoid giving the impression that they tolerate dangerously unhip racism.

Homophobia, however, is still trendy and fashionable. Republicans and their friends in the media will continue to get away with this sort of garbage until it actually starts to hurt them at the polls, and in the Nielsen ratings.

Isn't Ann Coulter really Dan Coulter? The adam's apple, the cro-magnum punim- this is a fuckin' dude.

"My only response to my reader is that seeing her live in front of a young, cheering crowd made me feel a lot less complacent. Being a gay man in a crowd that cheers a woman denigrating someone for being a "faggot" is an educative experience. Seeing college kids line up to worship her tore me up. These kids deserve better. They're young and smart enough to be interested in conservatism - and this is what they are getting? From a stage where two presidential candidates just spoke? I guess I've been a bit of a smug ironist who just got mugged by conservative reality." ...Andy Sullivan

The Republican base loves and backs Ann Coulter.

I wouldn't give up so easily here, people. I've been flipping through a number of conservative sites, and they seem a bit embarrassed about Coulter's comment. Even the committed homophobes are shying away from the word "faggot," and most of the right-wing threads I've seen seem evenly split between "Ann's our girl!" and "She's such a horrible person."

In a way, I almost admire her- she's not afraid to be blunt. Who on the Left has her balls? (modesty prevents me from saying).

And, Trent Lott, anyone?

You're referring to the current Senate Minority Whip, right? The second-ranking Senate Republican? The man whose house the President promised to rebuild? My God, the media sure finished off his career.

I've been flipping through a number of conservative sites, and they seem a bit embarrassed about Coulter's comment.

Yes, because it's been a Republican tactic for years to avoid being honest about what they espouse, given that runs some risk of being electoral poison. So it is a hopeful thought that they don't trust the electorate to agree with them. Hate the filthy faggots, push to criminalize their behavior, or even dream of their stoning if one is a Dominionist, but talk about "sanctity of marriage" and "defense of the family." Coulter did step slightly across yet another line. She's a hero to the CPAC crowd for it, and it won't dent her media access in the slightest, but maybe it will turn off a couple more swing voters who didn't mind her shitting on 9/11 widows.

Looking at Coulter you have to wonder if this is some kind of projection. As far as drag queens go, she's almost convincing.

One of these days I'm going to touch down in DC, rent a rascal, ride over to Matt's house, and eat all that leftover pizza.

No one will pay the slightest attention to this. Now, if Edwards were gay- then maybe so. But, Edwards has already been maligned as a "Breck Girl" by mainstream pundits- so one step higher on the crude-o-meter won't mean a thing. She'd have to call Tammy Duckworth a "filthy dyke gimp" or call a male vet a "faggot gimp" to alienate other than than liberal bloggers. It's like she knows there's a line not to cross and she doesn't.

Off topic, holy shit, check out Instahack. Towards the end of a long post about looking at the Iraqi war in retrospect, even he now (reluctantly, and with some wiggle room) says that, knowing what he knows now, he might not have supported the war. Of course the post contains plenty of typical Instahack drivel, and he doesn't deserve an ounce of credit for getting a partial glimpse of the obvious, but when you've lost Instahack ...

On topic - yeah, sure, a number of conservative bloggers are criticizing Coulter, but are there ANY calls (aside from liberal bloggers) for Romney to distance himself from her? Of course not.

Re Trevor

Coulter is a hermophrodite. It should be challenged to provided a DNA sample to check for a Y chromosome.

I might be just stating the obvious here, but the reason that Democrats get in trouble for this kind of thing more than Republicans do is the same reason that the Phoenix Suns have more wins than the Boston Celtics. It's about skill. There is an art to making a big stink out of these kind of things, and the Republicans are much better at it.

SLC- yeah, no shit. Whoever decided that this goon was hot? Or, the other one- Laura Ingraham- listen to her voice for one second and if that's not a mechanical device- I don't know what is. If she's human, then a blow-up doll with a chatty-Cathy voice is good to go.

Um, I don't think that many people consider Dr. Laura hot ... though she DID look kind of cute in those sex photos from a few years back. But now ... yikes.

You are really reaching Matt. No, this isn't the same as Edwards hiring that blogger. If Marcotte had merely given a foul speech before Edwards gave a speech, do you really think Edwards would have gotten that much flack?

You are really reaching Matt. No, this isn't the same as Edwards hiring that blogger. If Marcotte had merely given a foul speech before Edwards gave a speech, do you really think Edwards would have gotten that much flack?

Are you HIGH?!?

Look, I know that compared to others I had no trouble with - or a higher tolerance for - the way Marcotte goes about her business, but she wrote, disrespectfully and irreverently and at times blasphemously (though what that's worth to a non-believer is, of course, nil) about a belief system. At times, she spoke intemperately and obscenely about people who held to that belief system and used it in a particular way. (Brief pause: and it's clear that her actual angry and impolite rhetoric was reserved for a subset of said groups, and not for the whole groups entire, and if you believe otherwise you have either an issue with comprehending context or a willingness to ignore the truth in favor of your own rhetoric - but of this, pjgoober, I am not accusing you, I'm just saying since I'm peeved.)

Coulter called a major presidential candidate a FAGGOT. SHE CALLED HIM A FAGGOT.

Now analogies get tricky here because we obviously don't know whether or not Edwards is gay, and there's, shall we say, reasonable circumstantial evidence to presume that he's not. But this is a word in the same arena as (if some people would argue not on par with) nigger. So to say: "Imagine if she'd called Obama a nigger" is perhaps not the best analogy. So let's stick with Edwards. What if she'd implied that his ancestry was questionable and then implied that maybe he was a "nigger" - using that word? What if she were speaking about Bill Richardson (much less major a candidate, I know) a Spic? What if Liberman was a little kikey? Are you fucking kidding me? She used a No-Two-Ways-About-It vicious slur against a major presidential candidate. SHE CALLED HIM A FAGGOT. This is ONLY "acceptable" within our discourse - by which I mean, no one will actually do anything to remove her from influence - because the slur in question was about gay people. This is ridiculous shit and if you don't get offended by it, or as offended as I do, well, different strokes for different folks. But to compare this to Marcotte making an off-color joke about the Virgin Mary? Come on. This is more like if Marcotte said "Well, I'm sure Pope Benedict would be an interesting guy to talk to but I won't be in a room with a child molester."

"Are you HIGH?!?"

Yes.

This has been another installment of Simple Answers to Stupid Questions.

hat-effin-tip, Atrios!!!

Why do they get away with it? Because nobody expects anything better from them. Even their mothers.

Doesn't it seem like someone should at least ask?

Silly rabbit: don't you know that no-one on the right can ever be held responsible for what Ann Coulter says, particularly Coulter herself?

(More seriously, I think that scheduling Little Awful Annie for Friday was designed to ensure her comments would disappear into the weekend news vortex. But if people are asking Romney next week -- his press office number is on the website -- to endorse or rebuke her, then this might, just might, get that 'oh-so-funny' woman declared persona non grata.)

Sayeth Sullivan: "These kids deserve better. They're young and smart enough to be interested in conservatism -" Hold it! I think I spotted the flaw in your reasoning!

oh, come now hackticus. once when I was young and smart I was interested in conservatism. I wasn't interested in *being* a conservative, but I was, you know, curious about what the deal was. I think this was a positive thing about me. Almost as positive as the fact that I became highly, highly partisan, way more than I had been, as a result.

Are you HIGH?!?

Hey wait... I am high and found the comment in question to be dirt stupid drivel.

Looking back on some of blog-spats past, it seens strange that Sullivan was a bête noire of liberal bloggers for so long. If he represented something close to the rightward edge of the right-wing party (as he would in his home country) then it would be possible to have a much more constructive debate on lots of issues; that he now gets counted, by some lazy journalists, in catch-alls of liberal bloggers ought to say something.

I consider him an honest, thoughtful conservative with some iffy moments, but we've all had iffy political moments. (Annoyingly, his C-SPAN event for 'The Conservative Soul' isn't archived, as it's a BookTV thing, but there are bits from other events on YouTube. It's worth catching if they repeat it.)

There's a useful comparison with Christopher Hitchens, because Sullivan is closer to Orwell in recognising (per Homage to Catalonia) that you don't fight one kind of authoritarian ideology by roping yourself to whoever's shooting at it, regardless of whether those people are authoritarians of a different stripe. It's left Hitchens as the guy who thinks he's fighting the good fight in Spain when he's wearing the Stalinist colours and mowing down the anarchists and POUM.

That understanding deserves respect. Which is why I can imagine what he thinks as all these little College Republican warriors drool over Coulter.

I think Sullivan is a really bright, often perceptive, very talented and persuasive writer (though not as searingly funny as his buddy Hitch can be; of course, I also think Hitchens is a decrepit moral specimen with nothing left in him as a writer but misdirected bile). Back when I was interested in what "conservatives" had to say, I read him regularly and rolled through a lot of, frankly, stupid bullshit on his part because I thought it was worth it for the real insight. And it was fascinating for me to watch him change between say 2003 and 2006. I gave up on him at some point though when he dropped an asinine comment (can't remember exactly) that made me realize he still hadn't entirely backed off the idea that some nontrivial portion of "the left" was a fifth column; there was just a piece of Instapundit left in him that I decided if he hadn't let go yet, it wasn't going to be. The other thing is that during the time I followed his writing he displayed a remarkable...solipsism? At times frustratingly unaware of his own intellectual and attitudinal evolution, seemingly incapable or unwilling to see past where he was at a given moment to recognize where he'd been or where others might be (actually, I found this more evident in his attitudes towards gay culture than politics per se), which made for an annoying read at times. But when he's right he's right.

Oh lighten up. Sanctimoniousness is just as annoying from the left as from the right.

Does Ann Coulter calling John Edwards a faggot in any way alter your opinion of her? If not, this isn't worth pretending to be irate about. She's no more ridiculous or irrelevant than she was before.

Here we go again!
Oh that mean mean Hypocritical Right! That nasty Ann Coulter and her Hateful Talk! When will Romney "distance" himself from her? Oh the MSM is soooo unfair!
Geez they are ALL effin hypocrits and liars folks. They think they know more about your life than you do, got it?
Who cares what they say? Except that we don't want to silence them. We want to see Romney applaud a Faggot tag. We want all of America to see and hear Coulter and her buddies and their dumb ass ideas. Yea McCain, make Bush's war your own! Yes Guiliani explain away your gay moments! Give em the rope and gallows to hang themselves.
Plus I am just so fucking sick of the whole Hate Speech BS. Is that the only toy we own? So lame.
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We don't have to play their bait-the-liberals game.
Our answer should be "With hundreds of thousands dying in the pointless debacle of Iraq you really think that dirty words are what we need to be discussing just now?"

Sullivan. The Bell Curve.

Not a lot of room to complain about "faggot".

This event doesn't tell us anything about Coulter's shtick that we didn't already know, she's a vile little attack poodle. It may be an opportunity, however, to learn a bit more about Mitt Romney's character, or lack thereof. Romney is a guy who tried to run to the left of Ted Kennedy on Gay Rights, and is now implicitly endorsing Coulter's drivel. Given his tanking campaign it'll be a test whether there is any level of cravenness Romney is not prepared to sink to.

By the way, Romney bused in those college kids Sully was talking about.

There is something wrong with Ann Coulter's brain. It's obvious to anyone who has seen the body of her work. And yet she is continuously treated on FOX News as if she is a perfectly fine pundit.

If a left-wing FOX News were critical of a right-wing FOX News, we wouldn't stop hearing about this. But since there is no leftist opposite of FOX News on the dial, the story of Coulter's idiocy dies a cruel death. And so does America's soul, bit by bit.

Let me respectfully point out to some of the commentors above that if you mock Ann Coulter for supposedly being transgendered, or call her a "hermaphrodite" or a "drag queen," you're doing exactly what that contemptible bigot did when she called John Edwards a "faggot."

Stop using people's sexual identities as terms of abuse. Pointing out that she's a vile, steaming cesspool of hatred and envy is just as satisfying as calling her transgendered, and more consistant.

Exactly. No need to get cute. The point is that "she's a vile, steaming cesspool of hatred and envy." In short, she exemplifies today's Repugnant Party.

Romney should be ashamed--but he's not.

I posted the thinkprogress piece earlier and got this insightful reply:

"LMAO

After all the insults hurled at Republicans... by *elected* officials to boot... they get their panties in a bunch when Anne Coulter insults a Democrat.

How pathetic."

Too many stupid comments above to respond to all of them. You get tired of seeing the same lame evasions over and over again, especially coming from people who believe they're being smart and original.

For whatever reason, Coulter is regarded as a legitimate spokesperson by the big media (TV, Time magazine, etc.) So is Michelle Malkin. No comparable liberal or Democratic figure gets the media play that they do -- Michael Moore doesn't, and though he's a polemicist, he's not anywhere near as extreme, vicious or dishonest as they are.

The place to look is in media management. For whatever reason, they've made a decision to slant right in their opinion sections, and they've also made a decision to validate nasty lightweight winers like Coulter. It started over a decade ago in radio, and it's been spreading ever since. It's getting worse, not better.

I'm surprised that more people aren't commenting on the way Coulter has launched a perfect Rovian slanderous meme: Take someone who has been called "the Breck girl" of Democratic politics and a "pretty boy" in the past, and come out and call him a "faggot" -- then sit back and watch outraged liberals protest. With every denunciation the nasty meme virus spreads and continues to do its harm. After a while, the controversy subsides -- with some subset of the population that didn't really follow things very closely convinced there's "something not quite right" about Edwards. What makes this so effective is that Edwards is not gay. If Coulter had called a gay politician a faggot, the media would have been all over her, and the public too. But this over-the-top ploy just muddies the waters.

It's no accident. Karl Rove must be sitting back and laughing. The Times and WaPo were right not to give this slimy slander any traction.

Very perceptive comment, Madison Guy. The "controversy" will be over in 2 weeks. Well worth getting the "Edwards is a girlyman" meme more traction.

As for Sully:

These kids deserve better. They're young and smart enough to be interested in conservatism

The kids who cheered Coulter's remark deserve better? "Forgive them, they're young and they know not what they do!"

Pardon my uncivility, but from one faggot to another: Go to hell, Sullivan, and take Coulter with you. You two were meant for each other.

You're comparing Sullivan and Coulter? They're really not alike in any way. Unfair remark.

I agree Madison Guy's comment is excellent. I'm more inclined to think Coulter's remark is purely her own, but it's amazing the way this stuff plays in the media, isn't it?

Korha, I'm "comparing" them only to the extent that I find them equally reprehensible. In that sense, they are very much alike, even if they differ greatly in style. YMMV.

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