Nitpicking

Lacrosse

Those lyrics have annoyed me ever since that album first came out.

BTW, as far as I know, water polo and certain games of lacrosse are the only sports with goalies that are divided into four periods.

Water Polo, indeed. Also Team Handball, at least the way we played at camp.

Seems to me like they meant "period" rather than "quarter" since the third quarter would not be the most critical time, I would guess. And thus, the reference is hockey.

In a similar vein, the geography in Bruce Springsteen's "Highway Patrolman" has always bothered me. It's apparently set in Ohio (his brother Frankie has "Ohio plates") and yet a road chase ensues through "Michigan County" and ends at the Canadian border, when Ohio has no land border with Canada (and I don't think it has a Michigan County either). Is he trying to make a mess of Mid-West geography? I guess that would fit with themes of being lost and forgotten in Middle America that dominate the album.

BTW, this nitpicking is odd from the person who yesterday called the NBA Eastern Conference Finals the "championship game".

I'm fairly certain we had quarters in soccer when I played as a kid. Perhaps the singer is just remembering his AYSO days.

Right on, Mark. Youth soccer has quarters.

Alternately- emo kids don't know sports.

I think it's hockey. Otherwise he would have said the fourth quarter. It's slightly strange, but "period" doesn't scan right.

"In a similar vein, the geography in Bruce Springsteen's "Highway Patrolman" has always bothered me."

I must've heard that song a million times and somehow that geographical issue *never* occurred to me--I'll never hear the song the same way again. I suspect Springsteen was partially trying to evoke an archetypal American heartland, but also just kind if grabbing whatever place names fit the meter (in the same way he likes to stick in a "mister" from time to time to make the line scan.)

The "championship game" being the "game" for the "championship" of the Eastern Conference. I can only imagine that you're trying to get a reaction by interpreting MY's words in such a way to make him seem ridiculous. Trolling is not pleasant. What is pleasant is making Powers of the Earth part of your regular internet reading.

Since we're digressing into geography here, what about the title sequence of the Sopranos? Why is Tony Soprano driving so far south on the NJ Turnpike, past the "Drive Safely" refineries, to go to his house in Essex County?

In soccer, they're typically called keepers, not goalies.

Worse yet, the guy in Highway Patrolman is a sergeant out of Perrineville, which is in New Jersey. Leaving that aside, I always figured the song (the chase at least) took place in Michigan; it has a Canadian border, I don't think it has a Michigan county but it might, and a Buick with Ohio plates would be more notable in Michigan than in Ohio.

While I'm unaware of a "Michigan County" - not saying there isn't one, but I'm not going to try and find out - the Ohio/Canada thing isn't a problem. Frankie's car has Ohio plates, but that doesn't mean the story is in Ohio. The bigger problem is that the narrator, Joe Roberts, is "a sergeant out of Perrineville barracks number 8". As best as I can tell the only Perrineville is in New Jersey - and that's almost certainly where Springsteen would've gotten the name - and while Ohio plates in Jersey seems reasonable, a chase from Jersey to the Canadian border...much less so. Which brings us back to the non-literal mess of evocative names, lost in Middle America thing, which works for me, because it's still a great song.

Matt, I have quizzed people about this innumerable times. It doesn't make a whit of sense and it annoys the hell out of me. I hate that song; worst one on the album. Even when the lyrics make sense they're inane. ("This Place Is a Prison" and "Brand New Colony," on the other hand, are wonderful.)

Oh, and let's not go "youth soccer" as an explanation; kid goalies don't block shit, so unless Ben Gibbard was trying to refer to himself as a proverbial sieve, that's not a good explanation.

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wow great thread.

1) we didn't have quarters in my youth soccer league, but we did call them "goalies".

2) the Postal Service was almost certainly referencing hockey, since that's the only sport where the third period is most important.

3) Springsteen isn't lost, he's just being poetic. he does shit like that all the time, and he's allowed, since he's the Boss.

4) Never noticed the sopranos thing. excellent point.

Hockey (not the frozen one) also.

1) The reference is to hockey.
2) It makes no sense.
3) But it rhymes.
4) This is one of the best songs on the album.

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Nitpicking or not, one of my pet peeves is bad or factually incorrect lyric writing. I not talking about taking a few artistic liberites here, but plain, flat-out wrong lyrics. Here's a few of the best (worst?) examples & they're a hell of a lot more mainstream than The Postal Service:

Cheryl Crow (I forget the name of the song): "Every time you hear the thunder, you turn around to see the lightning strike". Uh, Cheryl? First lightning then thunder.

The Darkness: "One Way Ticket to Hell & Back". Uh, "& back"? Sounds like a return ticket to me.

Jon Bon Jovi: this is more of a case of bad writing & terribly strained imagery. You could pick almost any lyric of any Bon Jovi song as an example, but one that has always driven me nuts is: "with an iron-clad fist, I wake & french kiss the morning". What the hell does that even mean? That metaphor couldn't be more tortured if it had spent the last 3 years in Gitmo. And this one is just plain stupid: "I guess this time you're really leaving -- I heard your suitcase say goodbye".

Bonus example:
Sade (remember her?), "Smooth Operator": "Coast to coast, LA to Chicago". In her defence, she is from Ethiopia, so perhaps she's ingnorant of the local geography.

Yeah, the verb "tending" also implies hockey since the position in hockey is called "goaltender", unlike (I believe) most others which say "goalkeeper". Though all the lacrosse references I can find just say 'goalie', so it could be that.

In any case, it's pretty dumb to say "quarter", since you don't need to know the sport to know that the third quarter of anything will *not* be the dramatic peak, which is obviously the image they're going for here.

To add to raff's list: Don't forget U2's "Pride" which features the line "Early morning, April four" in a reference to the MLK assassination. But it happened in the evening.

The references in Alanis Morrisette's "Ironic" are not really ironic either.

Frequently a spirit of generosity comes over me and I just try to assume these are all intentional "errors" meant to draw our attention to some feature of the subject's character. As in, I don't know the Sheryl Crow song raff refers to, but maybe she intends us to think, not that the singer is foolish, but the character described.

Switching from songs to short stories, I've been troubled since I read it by David Foster Wallace's "Girl With Curious Hair," in which Keith Jarrett is consistently referred to as a "Negro". Now, Jarrett isn't black, but lots of people have thought that he is...so I'm really uncertain whether the error is the narrator's (which wouldn't be out of character) or the author's.

Might I also point out that the chorus of TLC's classic "No Scrubs" is a tautology:

"I don't want no scrub
a scrub is a guy that can't get no love from me"

That always bugged me.

April,

Excellent points, but I must leap to the defense of Sade. I've always read the 'coast to coast LA to Chicago' line as being "from NY to LA and then back to Chicago". I think it's a great image.

I always figured the song (the chase at least) took place in Michigan; it has a Canadian border

Michigan doesn't have a land border with Canada; it's all rivers or lakes. And Michigan doesn't have a Highway Patrol, either--it has State Police.

Might I also point out that the chorus of TLC's classic "No Scrubs" is a tautology:

It's a restating. She's not defining a scrub, she's just saying a scrub won't get love from her.

And what is a "tie-game rivalry"?

It all goes to show that punk/indie/emo suck ass.

And what's up with that Nirvana song, where he sings:

"We can plant a house
we can build a tree."

I think he got it backwards.

Quarterican,

Absolutely the way to understand "Girl With the Curious Hair" is that the narrator is responsible for the error. He's supposed to be an absolute jackass.

The classic example of this sort of thing is, of course, found in John Keats:

MUCH have I travell'd in the realms of gold,
And many goodly states and kingdoms seen;
Round many western islands have I been
Which bards in fealty to Apollo hold.
Oft of one wide expanse had I been told
That deep-brow'd Homer ruled as his demesne:
Yet did I never breathe its pure serene
Till I heard Chapman speak out loud and bold:
Then felt I like some watcher of the skies
When a new planet swims into his ken;
Or like stout Cortez, when with eagle eyes
He stared at the Pacific—and all his men
Look'd at each other with a wild surmise—
Silent, upon a peak in Darien.

"Balboa" didn't scan, I guess . . .

The references in Alanis Morrisette's "Ironic" are not really ironic either.

True, but you have to admit that that fact is ironic.

My offering for the thread is the odd tense mixture in the second verse of Billy Joel's "Piano Man":

He says, "Bill, I believe this is killing me"
As a smile ran away from his face....

Surely it should be either "said" or "runs," no?

While we're doing geography ones, there's Cheap Trick's "Southern Girls": "I've been north, I've been east to the California beach." Still a great song.

And as for the Postal Service: "I would have to speculate that God himself did make us into corresponding shapes like puzzle pieces from the clay," from "Such Great Heights," ignores the scientific consensus that organisms like Ben Gibbard were formed by evolution through natural selection rather than by theistic design.

@raff: The Darkness album title is a joke.

Quarterican:

The Cheryl Crow song is "Good is Good" released a couple years ago. The line is actually:"And every time you hear the rolling thunder, You turn and run before the lightning strikes" & it's part of the chorus (& so repeated multiple times in the song). I think she's trying to say that once you get the first sign of oncoming trouble, you run before the shit really hits the fan.

Regardless, the metaphor just doesn't work on any level. I've written plenty of songs & I know what it's like to get a phrase or thought in your head you really want to use, but you just can't make it fit. At that point, you just have to scrap it & move on.

Oddly, whenever I point this out, no-one has ever noticed it before. People hear "lightning" & "thunder" & don't notice the order of events... after all, everyone knows it's lightning, then thunder. No-one's that stupid, right? I think Crow just didn't want to let go of this line (it plays a major thematic role in the song -- hell, the whole song may have started with this one line), so she gambled that people just wouldn't notice. In large part she seems to have been right.

The other comments now make me positive that Springsteen is poetically invoking everywhere and nowhere at the same time.

I'm also reasonably sure that Ben Gibbard wanted one less syllable and substituted "quarter" for "period," figuring that not that many hockey fans are into his particular brand of sugary ear candy.

The Band - Night They Drove Old Dixie Down

"Back with my wife in Tennessee
when one day she called to me
Virgil quick come see
There goes Robert E. Lee"

Apparently, Robert E. Lee never campaigned in Tennessee. But, hey Robbie Robertson was Canadian and its still a better song than any punk/indie/emo song ever written.

Even if lacrosse or water polo fit the description it would still be a fairly lousy metaphor. Wouldn't the baseball equivalent be "bases loaded, tie game in the bottom of the sixth"?

Me And Bobbie M\cCGee - Kris Kristofferson

"Bobby thumbed a diesel down just before it rained,
It took us all the way to New Orleans."

If you've ever hitchhiked cross country you know that you NEVER thumb a diesel down. They're not allowed to pick up hitchhikers and they don't.

Still, its a better song than any punk/indie/emo song ever written.

Scarlet Begonias - The Grateful Dead

"The wind in the willows playing tea for two
The sky was yellow and the sun was blue"

Actually the sky is blue and the sun is yellow. Nevertheless, its a way better song than any punk/indie/emo song ever written.

Speaking of "Piano Man": the really problematic line is "It's a pretty good crowd for a Saturday." By using "for a Saturday" to qualify "pretty good crowd," he's suggesting that Saturdays are usually slower than average. But wouldn't Saturday be the busiest night of the week?

Still, it's a better song than any punk/indie/emo song ever written, with the possible exception of "Motion Suggests" by Pavement.

I think the more sophisticated you try to make your lyrics, the less of a pass you ought to get for this sort of thing.

I am particularly annoyed by two errors in a song I otherwise quite enjoy, the Decemberists' "Legionnaire's Lament." First, they have a French legionnaire talking about "a bottle of ancient shiraz." "Shiraz" is the Australian word for what the French actually call "syrah" (which would have worked just fine as a rhyme for "mirage"). Then, they close with "on the old Left Bank / my baby in a charabanc / riding up the width and length / of the Champs Elysees," which is in fact located on the Right Bank. Neither of these was necessary for meter, and I think anyone who tries to flaunt a word like "charabanc" is fair game for this kind of nitpicking.

FYI, Gabe, the Cheap Trick lyric has a comma after "east" -- the "California beach" represents west, thus leaving the south as "the one place I know where to find you."

Eight Days A Week - The Beatles

"Ain't got nothin'but love babe,
Eight days a week"

Actually, there are only 7 days in a week. That fact notwithstanding, literally every single Beatles song is better than any punk/indie/emo song ever written.

"The references in Alanis Morrisette's "Ironic" are not really ironic either.

True, but you have to admit that that fact is ironic."

No, that's not ironic at all, because I would normally expect that Alanis Morrisette would not know what irony is. In fact it's just the type of lame thing she typically does in her songs. If an English professor had written the song, then it would be ironic.

The syrah/shiraz line always bothered me too, Matt. Same thing with the "from all atop the parapets blow a multitude of coronets" line from "The Infanta." The instrument is a "cornet." While some people say "coronet", it's not really correct, and usually a "coronet" is a crown-type thing.

Colin tries too hard sometimes.

Maybe she was saving up all her irony to use later, when she managed to make "My Humps" listenable?

2000 Light Years From Home

"Sun turnin' 'round with graceful motion
We're setting off with soft explosion
Bound for a star with fiery oceans
It's so very lonely, you're a hundred light years from home"

The truth is no ocean could survive on a star. Yet, if you took the Stones oeuvre and divided it into 3 tiers, literally every single song in at least the top 2 tiers would be better than any punk/indie/emo song ever written.

The Gambler - Kenny Rogers

"You got to know when to hold'em
Know when to fold'em
Know when to walk away
Know when to run

You never count your money
When you're sitting at the table
There'll be time enough for countin'
When the dealin's done?

Actually, a gambler who doesn't know how much he has in his stack is a pretty shitty gambler. That said, this particular song is better than any punk/indie/emo song ever written. The rest of Kenny's songs? Probably one of those "tie-game rivalry" situations.

Michigan doesn't have a land border with Canada; it's all rivers or lakes. And Michigan doesn't have a Highway Patrol, either--it has State Police.

Oops.

OK, in my defense, the song explicitly says that the trouble starts in a border on the Michigan line, so it makes sense that the chase would be through Michigan. Maybe Frank drives across a bridge to Canada? The problem is that the chase goes through "Willow Bank," which seems to be in North Dakota. Even at 110 mph that's a considerable chase. Let's go with poetic license.

"Balboa," OTOH, scans better than "Cortez" which requires the filler word "stout"; Keats was probably just confused.

["Piano Man" i]s a better song than any punk/indie/emo song ever written

Um, no.

Even if that line made perfect since, it would still be pretty sucky. I don't know the song, but I can't imagine that that line is a good simile for anything.

But I think the best nonsense ever must be Steve Miller's insistence that he speaks "with the pompatous of love." At least that is what it sounds like he is singing.

FYI--it is "the pompatus of love." A very Sundancy indie film with that title (and a very 90s scene involving the a discussion of the title phrase) was released a few years back.

Robert E. Lee never campaigned in Tennessee.

The lyrics make it clear this was a post-war sighting . . .

If you've ever hitchhiked cross country you know that you NEVER thumb a diesel down. They're not allowed to pick up hitchhikers and they don't.

The song was written back in the 60's when the rules were different.

Further FYI: "pompatus" is a made-up word. Steve Miller takes credit for its invention, but its roots can probably be traced to the Medallion's song "The Letter"(1964), to whit:

"Oh my darling, let me whisper
sweet words of pizmotality
and discuss the puppetutes of love"

Miller's love of old R&B makes it pretty unlikely that he'd never heard that song before. "Pompatus of love" also makes an appearance on The Guess Who's "Clap For The Wolfman".

I think the Postal Service was just being whimsical and silly, which suits the song rather well.

I'm always put off every time I hear Blackalicious' A2G, where nearly every word in each verse starts with the same letter.

His verse for the letter E includes "affected."

I believe some implementations of CalvinBall have goalies tending nets for four quarters.

The really odd line in "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Etc." is this one: "I swear by the blood below my feet/You can't raise a Cain back up when he's in defeat." Isn't he saying his family is a bunch of quitters?

I always heard that line as "You can't raise the Cain back up when its in the field."

My interpretation: Cain is the obvious biblical reference and once your brother is killed (buried in the field) you can't resurrect him...

In soccer, they're typically called keepers, not goalies.

in canada we call 'em soccer goalies. but that's cause they're like goalies, but for soccer. and in school, when we played a soccer like game with a tennis ball, we called it foot hockey, instead anything soccer related.

Blackalicious also allude to the Count of Monte Crisco during Deception. That gets to me for the reason someone mentioned above, those who try hard and make their lyrics more important get held to a higher standard for accuracy.

Yes, Fool, nothing in the entire catalog of Cobain, Patti Smith, Stooges, Husker Du or Will Oldham is anywhere near as good as Octopus's Garden. You really ought to have killed yourself in 1977.

That's right Dalton nothing in their catalogs hold a candle to the "dinosaurs" of classic rock (with the exception of a couple of Iggy Pop tunes and Cobain, who was really a classic rock revivalist, not a punk/indie/emo musician).

No need to kill myself in 1977. I still had Dylan and the Dead and Jerry Garcia Band and the Allmans and Dr. John and J.J. Cale and Hot Tuna and Bill Kirchen and Leon Russell and Taj Majal and Stevie Ray and Johnny Winter and ZZ Top and Neil Young and Joni Mitchell and the Nighthawks and Roy Buchanan and Danny Gatton and Root Boy Slim and The Arc Angels and Willie Nelson and Tom Waits and Toots and the Maytals and Burning Spear and Jimmy Cliff and the Wailers and Ralph Stanley and Doc Watson and Jerry Douglas and Jimmy Martin and many others making great new music and putting on great live shows.

I did have to kill my radio in the late 70's though because popular music really began to suck then after punk ruined it.

But if all there had been was punk/indie/emo, I WOULD have killed myself for sure, so you have a point there.

Again, brilliant thread. However...

1) The Scarlet Begonias line is supposed to be an inversion. His world's all turned upside down by this chick. I won't comment on the Nirvana song because I'm like 99.98346% sure that comment was snark.

2) Piano Man is, in many ways, a truly shitty song. Matt Weiner is correct that it is not even remotely better than, for instance, thirty or forty Clash songs or, say, "Love Will Tear Us Apart" or any number of Stooges songs or even Visqueen's "Look Alive," which I just heard today.

3) Boots Day, I am perplexed by your decision to type "etc." to replace only the word "down." This makes no sense and, in the spirit of the thread, you must explain yourself!

4) As long as we're tossing out weird lines, how it is that Vanilla Ice pulls out his nine, then flees the scene, and subsequently, watches the police drive right by him because he's stuck in traffic, and uses all this information as a demonstration that if there is a problem, yo, he will solve it? It doesn't appear to demonstrate that at all.

I'm all for nitpicking, though I think some of you are going overboard. For instance, I can see Sheryl (with an S, as long as we're picking nits) Crow meaning that once she hears thunder, she knows she's in a (metaphorical) storm, and she had better run and get to safety before the NEXT bolt of lightning hits.

But here's my nit to pick, from Depeche Mode's "Blasphemous Rumours:"

I dont want to start any blasphemous rumours
But I think that God's got a sick sense of humour
And when I die I expect to find him laughing

always gets translated in my head to:

I dont want to start any blasphemous rumours
But I think that God's got a sick sense of humour
And when I die *I'll* expect to find him laughing

Thanks jhupp. After 70+ Dead shows here I was in my ignorance thinking the color inversion had something to do with psychedelics...

Look, there is only so much snark a person can latch onto in a given comment thread wherein a) the subject is trivial and b) the comments are well-divided between honest and snarky. I missed one. My bad.

And yes, it certainly could be psychedelics and probably was; but taking the song literally yields the interpretation that it's just a crowd of impossibly happy people. I wasn't attempting to offer literary analysis, only grammatical. (To be fair, I was still off, but not absurdly so.)

But using the music fan's version of the "mine's bigger than yours" argument wins it for you. Sorry to have invaded your space having only seen my piddling twenty to thirty former Dead members' shows. My youth leaves me yet again defeated at the hands of a baby boomer for I was not old enough nor had parents who were music fans enough to take me to Dead shows while Jerry Garcia lived! I cower before the might of your 70+ shows.

Seriously, you were right, I was wrong, but let's not go resorting to such tripe as defense.

Live and Let Die:

"But if this ever changing world in which we live in"

Should be "...this ever changing world in which we live."

McCartney should know better.

jhupp: sorry, bro. But you corrected me first and I had to defend my honor. Peace.

Clever Fool, when forced to acknowledge the goodness of someone from the punk tradition just label them a "classic rock revivalist." But you've got a point. Punk/indie/emo re-absorbed many of the best parts of classic rock, just not the Shitty Ray Vaughn parts. Which is why someone who genuinely appreciates what's good about Dylan or the Band or Neil Young has never had a lack of modern acts to listen to. The tickets don't cost 80 bucks either.

"....Count of Monte Crisco...."

It may be that Blackalicious were alluding to a gay porn film with this reference. I admit this is an unlikely explanation.

No, Dalton, I'm serious. How much does Nirvana really have in common with Black Flag or the Buzzcocks or the Damned? Nirvana is too melodic and has too much guitar that doesn't consist of repetitively slammed barre chords to be considered punk -- they're far closer to Led Zeppelin.

I don't see much classic rock in punk. For one thing punks can't play their instruments (DIY) and their singing blows. Worst of all they lost the groove, the boogie, the funk, the blues. It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing, and punk don't swing, my friend.

Punk rock is more of a kind of performance art than it is serious music. The indie and emo artists who were influenced by punk necessarily moved back (as you say reabsorbed) more in the direction of classic rock -- after all no one wants to listen to no-chops punk screamers for very long -- but not far enough to make it very interesting.

BTW Dalton: "shitty" Ray Vaughn? Give me a break, buddy.

"Shitty" Ray Vaughn...

Forgive them lord they know not what they've done.

Punk is great for people who are very visually oriented and have short attention spans. Lots of "subversive" costumes and "in-your-face" style and I am more-radical-than-thou attitude -- just look at this safety pin -- really, really I am! Can't you SEE!! I dress in black -- I'm very deep emotionally!

But musically, it's simplistic music for simplistic people more interested in being part of the next big thing, the latest happening scene, than they are on getting off on the tunes.

I gained no social cache by listening to classic rock. But I'll still sit there listening to it and getting off on it for hours and hours at a time, year after year, long after you all have moved onto your latest new toy.

Uh, the Buzzcocks and the Damned aren't melodic? Have you listened to them? And Led Zeppelin is? Have you listened to them? Nirvana's tunes are unbelievably simple, and well within the punk tradition. Look at Cobain's fingers in any video! It's all repetitively slammed bar chords. He just happens to have long hair. I'm not a guitarist at all, but I could sit down and play virtually any Nirvana song right now. Punk has been incredibly tuneful and melodic from the start. Even the Sex Pistols. That melody was part of the response to the awful, solo-heavy tuneless noodling of so many of the acts 1970s, which you obviously know all about.

Yes, classic rock acts of the 60s and 70s never wore silly costumes.

Actually, Fool, you like loads of great music. Stanley Brothers, Willie, Neil Young, even ZZ Top made two great records. But people kept making great music. Wake up brother! Let a thousand flowers bloom! Indie rock shows cost, like seven bucks, you get to stand wherever you want rather than rotting in some assigned seat a mile away, and you don't have to wait three hours to hear the songs you came to hear. Comets on Fire are plenty psychedelic, and I swear to you they don't have safety pins through their noses.

Live and Let Die: "But if this ever changing world in which we live in"

That used to bug the crap out of me, until recently when I had the thought: Maybe he's saying "...in which we're living." And that made me feel better.

I've been to a 1000 $7 shows, bro. The Butthole Surfers used to practice in my garage. You ain't telling me jack.

"Punk is tuneful and melodic"

Yeah, dude, and up is down.

It all comes back to this, Mr. Duelin' Dalton:

They lost the groove, the boogie, the funk, the blues. It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing, and punk don't swing, my friend.

For a hundred years, American popular music combined groove, boogie, funk, twang, and blues in various combinations and was the greatest popular music ever made. Rock and roll and classic rock put all of those elements together.

But the punks came along and decided it was "bloated" and "self-indulgent" and thre the baby out with the bath water. Punk/indie/emo cut the heart and soul out of the music. It kept the attitude and the basic instrumentation but it lost the rest. It's sad, but true.

P.S. Fuck yeah Led Zeppelin is melodic. Have you ever listened to them? Or did you read too many rock critics and swallow the party line about "bloated" and "self-indulgent" and decide that you didn't really need to?

And that noodling you punks always complain about? It ain't noodles, bro. Noodles are a random mess. The "noodling" that you all attribute to Jerry Garcia, as the leading example, is far from a pile of tangled spaghetti. But without a sufficient attention span, you'll never figure that out.

But I'll listen to Comets On Fire. I'm d/ling Avatar, Field Recordings From The Sun, and Blue Cathedral right now. I'll be back tomorrow night on some thread on this blog and I'll report back on what I hear. 999 times out of a 1000, it turns out to be crap. But I'll listen to it. If I hear soulless no-chops, repetitive chord strumming on top of a 2- or 3-chord "progression" along with a screaming American kid feigning an English accent and crappy lyrics, I will have to call it what it is.

I'm listening to "Dogwood Rust" right now and my first impression, believe it or not was Led Zeppelin - the vocalist sounds a lot like Robert Plant and the drummer learned a thing or two from John Bonham. I also have to say that you obviously chose them for a reason. This song sounds like classic rock a lot more than the Buttholes or Sonic Puke or any other noise rock bands I've heard. I may even end up liking it. But based on this 1 song, this is very atypical of punk/indie/emo.

Uh, if I'm not mistaken that's noodling that I'm hearing. I also heard a Hammond B-3. This is classic rock.

If this song had come out in 1976, you all would have said it was bloated and self-indulgent.

If you don't like simple music, don't listen to rock or pop. I'm a rock guy myself, but have no delusions about it being particularly complex musically in the grand scheme of things.

And when it aims to be complex, we get stuck with a decade of...> ... King Crimson and Rush.

There's complex and there's complex, moriarty. I'm not talking Bach. But some punk slamming the same chords over and over with no lead breaks and soulless singing is simple compared to good classic rock -- and I'm defintely not talking about King Crimson and Rush.

For example, this Comets On Fire Im listening too on Dalton's recommendation is not simplistic. It remains to be seen if they're good song writers though. That's usually the catch.

Also moriarty, there was no decade when the best classic rock consisted of King Crimson and Rush. I've been through this argument a million times but if you take the years 1972-1977 apprixmately when classic rock supposedly went off the rails, necesitating punk -- I can show you 100 great classic rock albums recorded in those years.

The song "Sour Smoke": I'm laughing my ass off. I think I just heard an Allman Brothers lead.

Dalton: ok I'm definitely not hating it (And that's definitely an Allmans lead). Dude, if you like this I got some Allman Brothers, Grateful Dead, Doors, Traffic, and Pink Floyd that's gonna knock your socks off.

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