Nuggets-Spurs

Well, Nene did do a pretty awesome job guarding Duncan.

Go Warriors!

Nene and Camby both crashed the boards (8 offensive boards for Nene) and did a great job on D, which could be consistent factors in Denver's favor. Although it is true that AI and Melo aren't likely to shoot that well in every game. But the Spurs will have to close the FT gap--even though they don't usually get to the line all that often (and don't convert too well when they do), they'll have to lower that gap from what it was tonight, when they ended up shooting 15 fewer FTs than Denver.

What Denver does is irrelevant. Duncan, Parker, and Ginobli combining for 42 pts is not.

Denver cannot win - even at the level of resolution of the game - San Antonio can only lose.

The biggest thing the Spurs have going for them is that this has happened to them several times before vs. the Kings and vs. Denver in the first round and they kept their head and got through it. Sometimes big teams lose the first two and collapse under the pressure (see Lakers, Los Angeles circa 2004) but the Spurs are a confident experienced team and shouldn't let this throw them.

Still, it's a crapshoot but any team with AI, who has had some memorable playoff series, and Melo is always going to have a chance.

The Lakers didn't lose the first two in the '04 finals. Game 2 was the only game they won in that series. I think I saw a stat earlier today that only one team has ever won a 7 game series after losing the first two at home, which would be the '94 Rockets, who lost the first two at home to Phoenix in the 2nd round before coming back to win in 7. The Suns dropped the first two at home to the Lakers in the first round in '93 before coming back to win, which was in a 5 game series.

I've never seen Nene play this well (I haven't watched any Nuggets games this year). If Nene plays like this, I could see the Nuggets taking it all the way.

Nene and Camby both crashed the boards (8 offensive boards for Nene) and did a great job on D, which could be consistent factors in Denver's favor.

Agree with that. It's not just Nene. And I don't think the '04 Lakers collapsed under pressure so much as they collapsed under the weight of the hatred between Shaq, Kobe, and (near the end) Phil.

I don't know about Melo and AI being consistently inefficient. Neither has ever played with another scorer as talented as the one they have now. Both have generally been the focus of the other teams defense. Melo in particular is a young player who is still developing -- he was a very efficient scorer before the suspension back in December. So we'll see. We could be watching them discover how best to mesh together on the floor.

Or at least I hope so. The Spurs are boring as hell, I'd like to see them out of the playoffs ASAP.

I have a feeling matt won't post on the warriors, so i guess it's up to me and 'steves' to hijack ever NBA thread to hype the dubs.

38-38 at half, we can totally do this, all the doubters. The mavs knew we could bring it...too bad no one else did. It's not all so peachy though, the mavs towards end of the half were exposing the weakness of our small lineup, well the obvious lack of good rebounding, we're getting killed on the boards, but the mavs haven't been converting, which will probably chnage in the second half. If we can get the break back and make some free throws..it'll be interesting to say the least.

GO WARRIORS

"You can't beat Denver when 'Melo and AI both have efficient scoring nights, but the whole point is that they both do so only quite rarely. In a seven game series, it's not a huge threat."

They got nothing from Kleiza and J.R. and they still won.

This series is going to make me rich.

"You can't beat Denver when 'Melo and AI both have efficient scoring nights, but the whole point is that they both do so only quite rarely. In a seven game series, it's not a huge threat."

You whack.

You don't think AI and Melo can't combine for a TS% of 55% for four games in a series?

"I've never seen Nene play this well (I haven't watched any Nuggets games this year). If Nene plays like this, I could see the Nuggets taking it all the way."

Nene's emergence over the past two months is a huge part of the reason the Nuggets can be competitive against the big boys of the West.

I think AI and melo probably can combine for 55% a game, but i don't think that 55 is going to be 61 every game.

Spurs in six

"38-38 at half, we can totally do this, all the doubters."

Uhh, Nellie doesn't want a 80-80 game. Somebody said at the start, under 100 and Mavs win. This is not a team that is going to shoot under 30% for the whole game against the worst defense in the league. Nerves.

The Mavs are usually behind in the first quarter. They control the tempo, adjust, stay cool and disciplined, and win in the 4th. Watch & Learn.

"i don't think that 55% is going to be 61 every game."

Quite true. But they're often going to have a third scorer, which they didn't have in Game 1.

I gotta say that even Petey's Powder Blues optimism has limits.

Phoenix scares me.

I think the Spurs series is a nice perfect storm for the Nuggets. The Spurs are old 'n' slow, which plays right into the Nuggets' speed advantage. It's the same reason why Chicago has given Miami problems the past two years.

But that advantage won't exist against Phoenix. I don't like the second round matchups nearly as much as I like the first round matchups.

"The Mavs are usually behind in the first quarter. They control the tempo, adjust, stay cool and disciplined, and win in the 4th. Watch & Learn."

Well, i've been watching...and its 72-66 going into the fourth...who knows, maybe i can learn"

Phoenix scares me

Really, really not impressed by Phoenix after the Lakers game. Right now, Houston feels like the best team in the West.

I Watched, I Learned

Warriors 97 Mavericks 85

sorry bob, didn't even need 100

If you don't count Al Harrington as a PF (I don't, he's really more of a SF), the Warriors were playing with 1 pg, and 6 SG/SF.

That was really enjoyable.

Well, shit. I hate Don Nelson. "Small ball" for thirty years, annoying but never really wins championships. Avery has his work cut out for him.

Three words: GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS!!!

No other words can describe the feeling of utter jubilation regarding tonight's victory over the Dallas Mavericks. For the first time in 13 YEARS Warriors fans can finally rejoice. We may lose the series, but after losing so often for the past 13 years, it is great to finally win something (even if it is game one, on the road, of a seven game series).

Jeebus. I hate Davis, but that sure is a pretty line in the box score.

Takeaway 1 from the games:

The East officially has a chance in the Finals, due to 2 of the 3 top west teams playing like stinky ass.

Takeaway 2:

Nash leads & wins. Nowitzki doesn't. Nash wins MVP.

One other takeaway:

Don Nelson is a really good coach.

"Nash leads & wins. Nowitzki doesn't. Nash wins MVP."

Whatever. We will see this year. There is truth in what you say, but the Nowitzki Mavs hav won more games than Phoenix for several years, and gone further in the playoffs. and I don't the Mavs have that much more talent than Phoenix. After that double overtime loss, against fairly equivalent opposition, the Mavs won the next two and Phoenix lost the next two. Net +1 Mavericks.

Nowitzki may not be a leader, he is not a fire-em-up guy. He is steady and calm and consistent. Tonight he passed out of the double-team, rebounded, I counted 4 deflections, Dirk played ok, he just missed his shots. Like the rest of the Mavs.

Hell, I kinda know Nelson and his shit. Since Milwaukee, and a decade in Dallas. Cuban and Nelson hate each other, because of the firing. It is entertaining basketball, and can win some games & rounds, but always eventually loses.

Avery & the Mavs just gotta get smart.

frickin powder blues.

Warriors! Woohoo!

Last time they won a playoff game, I was in 8th grade.

Dallas had a bad game, but besides Baron and SJackson so did everyone on GS. This could become a good series.

Guy

Barkley is still the best. Magic is over there implying that bullshit about Nowitzki being a wuss, and Barkley is wondering why Dampier played 2 minutes. Did Avery get psyched out, and hurt the confidence of his team? Mavs won 67 games with Dampier, and I suspect against "small ball" pounding it inside and busting bodies for offensive boards is a way to go.

Avery better explain that Dampier thing.

And Baron Davis looks like a stud, and had a great game. But I have been watching Nelson foy years, remembering the "3 J's" and the dude will break your heart with flashy 2nd class b-ball.

Maybe I just haven't been reading the right comments sections, but this is the first thread I've bob mcmanus on in a while. Good to see that my favorite commenter ever is still around. What blogs are you reading these days, bob?

The Lakers didn't lose the first two in the '04 finals. Game 2 was the only game they won in that series. I think I saw a stat earlier today that only one team has ever won a 7 game series after losing the first two at home, which would be the '94 Rockets, who lost the first two at home to Phoenix in the 2nd round before coming back to win in 7. The Suns dropped the first two at home to the Lakers in the first round in '93 before coming back to win, which was in a 5 game series.

IIRC, the Mavs lost the first two to Houston at home in 2005 before coming back and winning the series in 7.

"What blogs are you reading these days, bob?"

I got 105 feeds, of which I follow about half closely. I am not commenting as much, partly because if you read 75 blogs wit comments, everything has already been said. And you don't have any time left.

The Tapped blogs, TPM, the economic blogs, Pandagon, Feministe, Twisty. Drum. Unfogged. Agonist. Digby. Stoller. Aardvark. A lot of people who don't know I lurk.

I question the humanity of whoever said they hate Baron Davis. And whoever said they hate Nellie. Have you no soul?

I don't live in the Bay Area anymore, but I'm seriously thinking of getting some tickets on ebay, getting on a plane to Oakland and going to game 3. If I wasn't broke, I'd do it.

"I don't live in the Bay Area anymore, but I'm seriously thinking of getting some tickets on ebay, getting on a plane to Oakland and going to game 3. If I wasn't broke, I'd do it."

Don't they have convenience stores in your neighborhood? They're very lightly defended at 3am.

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I expect the Mavs to win the series, (conversely, I expect the Nuggets to complete the upset in their series), but I am a Warriors fan at the moment. I'm always a big fan of Stephen Jackson and Matt Barnes and a minor fan of Butterball Baron, J-Rich, and Nellie, so it's nice to see them steal a big one.

My two initial thoughts:

- Warrior fans ought to all chip in on sending a gigantic gift basket to Larry Bird and Donnie Walsh. I thought that trade was the single most nonsensical transaction in the history of the planet earth.

- Avery's coaching chops are now officially in doubt. I thought he was responsible for blowing the Miami series last year, and as bob noted, sitting Damp is an "interesting" choice.

yeah, larry bird and donnie walsh have been pretty helpful this year. Nothing like taking off two overpaid, injury prone, underproducing, whiney white boys for some badass brothers. or as my brother, jeremey z so nicely put it when i gave him the good news: "We traded the two white guys for some brothers?...sweet"

I thought that trade was the single most nonsensical transaction in the history of the planet earth.

That was an absolutely terrible deal. Murphy and Dunleavy pretty much eliminate the Pacers from being a serious contender.

But, I still have to say the Draft Day deal the Celtics made for Telfair was the worst trade I've ever seen.

"Really, really not impressed by Phoenix after the Lakers game."

Phoenix sleepwalked through the last two months of the season, and I expect them to sleepwalk right through a victory in the Lakers series.

But as long as Nash is healthy, I don't think they'll have all that much trouble waking up for round two.

And I do think Denver has a viable shot against the Phoenix, but I like Denver's matchups better against San Antonio.

If you're Dallas, why on earth do you change your lineup to counter the Warriors? You're the 1 seed! You're the bully! You dictate to the eighth seed, not the other way around. Bad strategically, bad psychologically. It sends a message that Avery isn't confident in a team that won 67 games. I do agree with the person above in that I think the Nuggets have a better chance of completing the upset.

If the Warriors do move on... have fun with that Al Harrington on Yao matchup.

IIRC, the Mavs lost the first two to Houston at home in 2005 before coming back and winning the series in 7.

Yes, you're right. That stat I saw must have been wrong, or maybe I mis-remembered what it said.

I fell asleep and didn't see either upset, but in looking at the boxscores, I have to say that bob mcmanus above is dead on - what's with sitting Dampier??? The guy can play - start him and keep dumping the ball into him and make the other team adjust. You won 67 games fercrissakes - you don't adjust to a team that had to win the final day just to make the playoffs; you make them adjust to you. Geez.

Also, since when does Baron Davis shoot 50%+ from the floor (not to mention 80%+ from the charity stripe)? Once he started going crazy, did they put Devin Harris on Davis? I thought Harris was supposed to be their stopper at that position?

"I fell asleep and didn't see either upset"

They interviewed Duncan after the game, and he was saying that he thought that the Spurs had an excellent shot at defeating Aruba in the second round.

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Denver beating San Antonio is no more an upset than NJ beating Toronto or Chicago beating Miami.

If you've been watching the games, you could see this one coming a mile away.

The Warriors game was an upset.

San Antonio's got a great reputation amongst casual hoops fans like Matt, (which is why this series is going to make me rich), but if you've been paying attention, you'd know that the rot has already set into the Spurs. Even if they manage to get by Denver, they're not going to win a title this year.

Even if they manage to get by Denver, they're not going to win a title this year.

People have been predicting doom for the Spurs for at least three years. And the Spurs keep getting it done. I don't know why. But I still don't understand how Miami got to the Finals last year; I don't think Salvatore worked the Detroit series.

petey, if you're going to start listing the worst basketball trades in the history of the planet, you start with robert parish and kevin mchale for joe barry carroll.

"People have been predicting doom for the Spurs for at least three years. And the Spurs keep getting it done."

And now they've officially become too old 'n' slow.

Denver isn't going to win a title this year because they're relying on a bunch of 22 to 24 year olds to provide meaningful contributions. San Antonio isn't going to win a title this year because they're relying on a bunch of 42 to 44 year olds to provide meaningful contributions.

At even money odds, I'd happily bet on San Antonio not even making it out of the first round this year. Denver is a nightmare matchup for them.

And now they've officially become too old 'n' slow

They were old 'n' slow a year ago, but they pushed the Mavs to seventh game that went into overtime. Pop's teams remind me of Larry Brown's teams--they depend on execution to wear out the opponent, and they capitalize on mistakes. I still think the Spurs are going to win, because I think (a) the Nuggets are young and immature, and (b) Karl can be counted on to respond in exactly the wrong way as the pressure goes up. That said, the Nuggets are really talented, and apparently they've integrated what seemed like disparate talents. They'll be a bit of a nightmare in the future.

FYI: David Halberstam was apparently killed in a car cash today in the Bay Area. My sympathies to his family and friends. Appended to this thread because he wrote one of the best books about the NBA.

"Appended to this thread because he wrote one of the best books about the NBA."

McGeorge Bundy never played in the NBA.

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Gawd, I hope you're talking about The Breaks of the Game rather than Playing For Keeps...

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Until now I can’t understand why everyone is just so negative about Nene. He didn’t play well like the other star players but he didn’t mess up the game.

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