Time Zones

You're seriously underestimating the beauty of 10am football, and I don't even like the NFL all that much.

How would that solve the problem? Wouldn't that just mean that West Coasters would have to start waking up at 4 in the morning when the sun comes up?

Wait... is that right or did I get it backwards?

I thought this was weird too, when I would visit West Coast relatives from the Midwest, but I've lived out here for over 20 years now, and I've adjusted. Now it feels weird to watch late games when I visit the East. It's nice not to have to stay up until 11-12 pm to see the end of a game, and I think that even though I'm a night person. You just do other things in the evening around here (unless you're watching a West Coast game).

Here in Hawaii those NFL games begin at 7:00 AM (then 8:00 AM after the Mainland switches back from daylight savings time). The good thing is that you have the rest of the day afterwards to hit the beach or to do something else productive. It's just popping that first beer during the pregame hype at 6:00 or 7:00 AM that seems weird.

I live in Mountain time, which is perfect. I can wake up at ten on Sunday, take a shower and have the bloody marys ready by game time. I don't get anything done on Sundays, but that's what Sunday is all about.

I'd be all for a single time zone for the US if it is based on Pacific Standard - with Hawaii (and Guam) that's about the mean. (;-))

At some point in your life, Matt, TV sports won't be your major time sink for recreation, and there's always TIVO, you know.

How would that solve the problem? Wouldn't that just mean that West Coasters would have to start waking up at 4 in the morning when the sun comes up?

Yeah, that's right. Or, of course, under Matt's ingenious plan, us West Coasters could just sleep through the sun, wake up at 7, and then enjoy the 2 pm sunset in winter.

Of course, my snarky comment only stands if the single timezone is based on Eastern time. I'll be quiet now.

I was in England for the 1998 Knicks-Heat series. The games started at like 4 am. It was brutal.

Maybe I'm just an old 30-something with kids, but did anyone else almost laugh out loud at the idea that 10AM is "early"? Those were the days.

As a transplanted West Coaster, I miss rolling out of bed to watch football in the morning - who needs the pressure to get shit done before you settle in to 6 hours of the real national pastime...

Besides, beer/bloody marys at 10am has its place.

To echo an earlier post, it's nice to be able to watch the end of the important, late games without either falling asleep during crunch time or rolling into work like a zombie the next morning.

Missing first quarters/first few innings, etc... does suck though.

Quirky "west coast" has own time zone, habits.

Film at 11, 8 Pacific.

You know, this is what they do in China--a four-time-zone nation with every clock set to Beijing time. Factory workers in the steppes start their shifts at 4:00 a.m. to synchronize with the bigger factories in the east.

Me, I lived in Oregon for four years and loved 10:00 am football. I wish there were more sports played in daylight hours here in the East.

It is hateful that you guys on the East coast get to watch a lot of games I have no prayer of catching.

Your killing me Matt... As a life long west coaster, welcome. The early sports times are just the first phase of your indoctrination into a healthy west coast lifestyle. We'll have you mountain biking to Powells, hiking to the top of Mt. Adams, and kiting in The Hood in no time.

Madness? This is SPARTA!!!

Dude, if everyone followed West Coast time, we'd never have to hear about whiny East Coasters complaining about the World Series or Oscars lasting until the middle of the night. It's only the 15-inning marathons that last past midnight here. Evening games starting at 4:00 in the afternoon just means we have something to listen to on the radio on our way home.

What pisses me off is all the crap (that is, everything except sporting events and the Oscars) that supposedly has a live broadcast but that we get with a three-hour delay. We always get the juicy parts where somebody says "penis" one too many times edited out of our broadcast of Saturday Night Live, for example.

You gonna give us any hints as to where on the west coast you are hanging out?

But 10am football is the best. Gives one an excuse to start drinking at 9am and not feel bad about anything. Plus when it comes to the NBA who cares about the Eastern Conference games. The Warrior's would have been a 4 seed in the East.

Go W's!

And the NFL was thinking of playing a pre-season game in Shanghai. Though pulled out officially due to concerns about whether China was ready for the NFL.

Have your major gameday run from Midnight to early Monday morning and you might not be picking up the prime time Chinese viewer. Have your Championship game start at 6am or so Monday morning and you wonder why your market penetration is abysmal?

I think the West Coast schedule is way preferable. I get home from work at 6is and I can still watch half of the early game, plus the entire late game. That's way better than watching the entire early game, and then the 1st half of the late game. I'm 29, and that's still too old to stay up until 1 a.m. on a Tuesday to watch a basketball game.

Go Warriors!

Plus, the big games -- the Super Bowl, the Final Four, the NBA Finals, World Series -- all START at like 9 or 10 p.m. on the East Coast, which is ridiculous. 7 p.m. is the perfect time for that shit.

Go Warriors!

I've lived on the west coast for six years and I love the starting times. Weekend playoff games start at 6 meaning you can watch the game and then go out, instead of spending the night at home or struggling to follow the game at a bar.

Monday Night Football. Leave work at five with plenty of time to get to a sports bar before the game starts at six. Watch the whole game and be home by 9:30/10:00.

10am isn't really "early", you're just a young whippersnapper who stays up late.

For playoff basketball, and to a lesser extent playoff baseball, it's a problem. Football isn't a problem unless you go to church, which it turns out West Coasters do less than the rest of the country.

It's obviously a problem for transplants from the East Coast, who are just screwed.

If we had, like, one time zone, we could watch the NBA in LA at 8 pm just like you guys on the east coast. But dude, it's hell going to bed when the sun's still up and and then having to get up and drive to work three hours before the sun rises. I like my morning coffee before noon.

Nothing beats rolling out of bed and flipping on the 9 AM Saturday morning game(s) from the East Coast. You know all is right with the world.

Ditto with leaving work a little early to check out MNF. Otherwise, you have to figure out how to kill time between work and football. Leads to really bad Tuesday morning hangovers.

Saturday: Wake up at 9, roll over and grab the remote and watch the first college football game of the day. There will be football until about 10 p.m.

Sunday: Wake up at 9, have some coffee, turn on the TV at 10 a.m. There will be football until about 8.30.

What a life.

It's probably nice for schoolkids but, seriously, they can't vote.

Can't vote, but certainly watch commercials. This obviously helps build life-long fandom that will turn into revenue years down the road.

Tivo of course. So, is Lakers-Suns past your bedtime?

Having lived in LA my whole life (so far), it's always seemed natural to have the first football game in the mid-morning, and have East Coast games starting at four or five in the afternoon. I've always thought that the inability of people on the East Coast to watch games from out here until the wee hours caused a certain myopia when it came to teams like the Lakers or USC football, that it led to certain stereotypes about the play of those teams caused by not actually seeing them play.

TiVo is the greatest thing that ever happened to sports. If I want to watch a game that starts at 7:30 and ends at, like, 10:30, that's prime family time. Much better to watch it from, say 10 to 11:30, which is how long it takes to watch without commercials, without the stupid halftime time-wasters.

It's the Central time zone that's scamming we on the coasts. In general they're getting an hour more sleep since TV is commonly the trigger that sends people to bed - the news/sports center/prime time - it all happens an hour earlier in Chicago. They're more rested.

I don't mind. It gives me a reason to get out of work and to happy hour early, and my fantasy baseball action gets going for a good part of the day so I don't mind being on the West Coast.

That said, I love the night games too, so I can see the benefit each way.

You realize, don't you, that the fact that you think one might have to get up "early" to catch a 10 AM game affirmatively makes you a bad person, right?

I mean, by 10 AM on the weekend, I've usually run 10 miles, cooked my wife breakfast, cleaned up the kitchen, and played with my daughter until she's desperate for food. Course, I'm frequently ready for a nap by 10 as well.

Going from Eastern to Pacific time can have it's small dislocations though. For example, the bars close at 2 - but it's really 5. The next day you sleep until noon - but it's really 9. I can understand why everyone moved out there.

I've long thought we should go one step further and just have a single worldwide time zone. Time zones were an artifact of the late 19th century, and were a means of unifying a plethora of local times, which made things like railroad schedules chaotic, but this is clearly no longer a problem. With everything going 24/7 we live in a different world, and it might be weird at first having dawn at 2 AM, but people would get used to it quickly enough, and the disadvatages would be outweighed by the benefit of travelers and everyone else never having to reset their watches.

I mean, by 10 AM on the weekend, I've usually run 10 miles, cooked my wife breakfast, cleaned up the kitchen, and played with my daughter until she's desperate for food.

We're only bad people because people like you exist.

It would almost be worth moving west just to be able to watch MNF, the World Series, etc. at a reasonable hour. And 10am football on Sunday sounds great!

I blame it all on my dad, who grew up in L.A., and moved us to the D.C. area when I was four.

As everyone has pointed out getting to bed at a reasonable time is wonderful. 10 AM football is great. I hate getting up on the East Coast and having to wait a couple of hours for games to start (though I do enjoy College Gameday, plus other then the late game, everything is over by 4:30, plenty of time to run some errands or do something else with your day.

Another Hawaii voter. The "evening" Sunday NFL game starts at 3pm,done by dinner time,NOT bedtime. The latest any game-NFL,NBA,MLB etc starts is 4:30pm. Wednesdays are good baseball days- a west coast game at 9:30am,ESPN at 1:00pm and another game at 4:00 pm.NFL is 8,11 and 3. And the beach.Can't forget the beach;)

Why would anyone want to watch Eastern Division basketball? Its like getting to a concert early to see the warm-up band.

Having lived on both coasts, I have to say I prefer the PST times. WHen I lived in NYC, it always seemed weird to have to wait until after lunch for football.

Oh, and Go Warriors.

TNT insisted on torturing the time difference by broadcasting taped images of the sunshine outside US Airways arena during their intros and outros. But looking out my Phoenix window, it was clear that darkness had already descended. Time is nothing to television programmers/directors....

Billp_sea,
Didn't you see the thread yesterday? Praising Chicago is Babbitry! Still, 10 am football plus real mountains plus good Mexican food and great beer sounds awesome.

I guess I need less sleep than most people. I was the only one amongst the hockey fans in my office that stayed up until 1 a.m. ESt to see the Wings take out the Flames in Calgary.

10 a.m. football sounds awesome, though. I guess I'd get less done on Sundays if the Lions played mostly early games.

I was in Alaska during the 1999 NBA Finals. By the time I got home from work, it was usually halftime already. Fortunately, it wasn't a very good series anyway.

"We'll have you mountain biking to Powells, hiking to the top of Mt. Adams, and kiting in The Hood in no time."

Who would use a mountain bike to go to Powells? It's all paved! Get a good used road bike, but keep your lycra at home. We know how to ride in this town, rain or shine. Bikes are how we don't sit in traffic on the Hawthorne Bridge during rush hour, how we get to drink as much local brew as we do without getting...well, really fat. They're how we don't waste valuable beer money on taxis to get home from the bars. Welcome to Portland, Matt, and the first one's on me when you get here.

Formula One races are typically held in time zones far removed from mine. Answer: DVR. I'll watch it later, when it's convenient. I can wait. Maybe if you don't want to know who won before watching, and you watch a sport that other people in your country care about and which gets lots of media attention that would be a problem, but for F1 in the USA, unless I go way out of my way to look up results on the Internet, I'll never know the results.

You gotta be kidding me with this, Matt. Mountain time is the best! Football is over early enough (esp. the night games) to not be ridiculous, plus all our network shows start an hour earlier. Though DVR these days makes most of these issues irrelevant ...

Having lived on both costs, I can safely say that watching sports on the West side is far better. During the NFL season, games are on literally all day (I always hated waking up at 11 on Sunday morning back when I was in college in Virginia and having to wait 2 more hours for games to start). Sunday night baseball is at 5 out here, which allows for plenty of time to watch that and TiVo various other shows for viewing later that night.

It's pretty much gold, Jerry.

And, oh yeah...Warriors in the house.

As an eastcoaster with a brother in SD, it used to weird me out when visiting him and waking up to college football on Saturday mornings, but I have to say that now when I visit, I like it. Breakfast, beer and football - what a great way to start the day. What sucks is, as an English football fan, I have to get up at 7:00 on weekends to watch my Arsenal play here on the east coast.

Charlie, Euro soccer is about the only drawback to being on a Western or Mountain time zone. Back when FSC was carrying the early EPL game, it came on at 5:00 am out here.

But Monday Night Football starts at 7, and baseball playoff games start at 6. That's as close as mankind has come to perfection, besides 90 feet between the bases.

I was in Hawaii last fall for a week and I have to agree with the Hawaii locals on this thread. Since my body was still on Central time, it was great because I had no trouble waking up at 7. I got up to watch the morning games and then headed out to the beach. It was the best vacation ever.

Back in high school, Alaska Standard time rocked, as there was usually a game starting right as a got home. Now, those same games have been over for half an hour after work ends...

When I was going to school on the East Coast, I couldn't believe you had to wait until 1:00 p.m. to start watching football. The joys of a football brunch (11:00 a.m. in my time zone) should not be underestimated.

Charlie, Euro soccer is about the only drawback to being on a Western or Mountain time zone. Back when FSC was carrying the early EPL game, it came on at 5:00 am out here.

Well, it ain't great in the Eastern zone either. I mean, who can get out of work at 2:45 to watch a ManU-AC Milan Champions League Semifinal? Not me. Thank God for TiVo.

Pro football sucks.

You have backwards, when I'm on the East Coast during football season it drives me nuts waiting around all morning and then having to stay up till 1:00 am to watch football.

Sunday morning is great, roll out of bed around 9:45, make some breakfast and settle in to eat and watch football.

Well, it ain't great in the Eastern zone either. I mean, who can get out of work at 2:45 to watch a ManU-AC Milan Champions League Semifinal? Not me. Thank God for TiVo.

And for Wayne Rooney...good luck to your boys today. And by good luck, I mean I hope Peter Crouch scores 5.

"Which brings me to the fact that I'm pretty sure I'm prepared to defend the claim that the 48 states should adopt a single time zone."

Hell, no.

League Pass would show all the night's games at the same time that way, rather than having them staggered.

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The weirdest thing about watching the NBA on the West Coast is watching Finals games in a bar. If you drink at the same rate you'd drink for a Finals game on the East Coast, you end up getting smashed far too early in the evening.

Camby gets DPOY.

This means the refs should let him play in Game 3 after he gets the award.

Powder Blues are moving on to the second round...

As jlw said, the Chinese have a single time-zone that's way out of whack with the far west of the country, but since much of the country is rural, the only time zone that matters is one set by sunrise and sunset. For those who need to co-ordinate with cities out east, you just treat clock time independently from sun-time.

From what I can tell of my limited West Coast experience, those jobs that require a degree of synch with the East Coast work on the principle that people just get up early and leave work early.

Formula One races are typically held in time zones far removed from mine. Answer: DVR.

I hope that the rise of DVRs means that edited, time-delayed and embargoed coverage for things like F1 and the Olympics can be banished to the mists of time in the US. The BBC (and CBC) have long realised that people will stay up into the small hours for sporting events, as long as they're shown live. Packaging them on NBC prime time with vaseline-lensed human-interest coverage turns them from sport to entertainment.

Beijing is 12 hours ahead of EDT. Olympic swimming finals are already being re-scheduled to suit American viewers, to the protest of potential participants.

As for the world's round-ball game, FSC's Saturday's are slightly less of a write-off now that Setanta has the early kick-off.

And I'll highly recommend checking out two videos from TrueHoop's wednesday bullets:

- The Chris Webber sidetalking video.
- The Caron Butler strawman video.

I'm a Philly-area native and at first I hated PST re sports. 4 or 5 p.m. starts on weekdays are tough, admittedly. If you can't get off work early, you're simply forced to record the game, go into blackout mode and watch it on delay.

But football is beautiful. As you get older it's not a hardship to be up and ready in time for the games. If it's a drinking day, the routine is bagels and coffee first half with a switch to beer in the second half of the first game.

And if you're up early Sunday, you don't have to wait hours for a big game to start, either distracting yourself or watching unwatchable pre-game BS with Michael Irvin et al.

Perhaps the best part is this: In California you can watch 6 straight hours of football and then emerge from your apartment/bar/cocoon and there are still three to four hours of sunlight left, so you can get outside and do something productive/get some fresh air or just say screw it and prepare for the Sunday night game.

Maybe it's just me, but I always found something depressing about EST Sundays in late autumn when you finish watching football, it's dark out and you haven't done jacksqaut with your day.

My only experiences with watching the NFL in the Pacific time zone have been in Vegas, where "when to wake up" isn't exaxctly an issue ... ;)

I love it when east-coast people suddenly flash on the idea that there are indeed other time zones. I remember watching Jesse Jackson deliver the "Keep Hope Alive" speech at the 1988 (?) convention, and then as Tom Brokaw talking about how it would have had more impact if the Dems had managed to get it on during prime-time, but those disorganized fools (OK, he didn't really say that) had run behind schedule, so it went on late. And, looking down at my watch and seeing it to be about 9:15 PM, I waved at the TV, saying "Yoo Hoo! Tom! Over here! Largest state in the nation! 20% of all electoral votes needed to get a candidate elected! It IS PRIME TIME, YOU JACKASS!!!"

Somebody upstream said you can watch college football 9AM until 10PM. That is, unless Hawaii is playing at home. That game can go til 1 AM if they throw the ball a lot (which they always do).

The worst, though, is the World Series. Games are often half over by the time you get home from work. Monday Night Football is bad, too. My boss used to know that if Green Bay was on, I was leaving early that day, no matter what (but being unemployed, I no longer have those problems :-)

Sam +1 (for the madness)

Time Zones are important because they help save electricity. That's the whole point behind daylight savings time.

I'm happy with the Powder Blues' first half. Can't make a layup, and only down 8.

I'm not highly optimistic that we're gonna win this one, but it'd be nice to stay close enough to have a shot at the down the stretch.

"I'm pretty sure I'm prepared to defend the claim that the 48 states should adopt a single time zone."

Or, they could forget about America's dumb, timeout ridden sports like basketball & football.

Never mind sports PST-style; the best part is that I haven't had to listen to a Bush speech in years, because they're over before I get home from work.

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