Wintry Mix Will Tear Us Apart

It really sucks. I'm just saying.

It's all relative. In this case, Boston's winter needs to be considered relative to, say, a summer in Dothan, Alabama.

Feel better now?

"Jawn"? "Mr. Len"?

Oh, give it up with the Boston bashing, Matt. I've lived in five different North American cities -- three of them in Canada -- including Boston, and winter sucked in all of them. Winter sucks as a general rule.

Interestingly, my nominee for best non-tropical city to spend winter in: Beijing. I spent one there and it snowed exactly once, and that was just flurries.

I grew up about 20 miles north of Boston, went to college in the Boston suburbs. On graduation day (outdoors of course), May 23rd, it was 49 degrees and raining. I vowed then to never return.

Moved to DC and although my first summer here I thought I would melt away to nothing, I will take the swampy summer here over the endless winter there any day. Not to mention avoiding the brown or mud season. Here the trees come into bloom in late March and early April, some years my grass stays green year round, and the spring is sweet. I do miss gazing out at the frigid ocean though.

Great place to go to school though and the music scene was always pretty first class. But I don't know how my aged parents stand it. Hell, even the DC winters are starting to bug me. And they are about 10 weeks long.

More East Coast bias. Boston winters are a nice fall day in Minnesota.

If you're griping about Boston, it just means you've never had the Great Lakes Winter Experience.

Eight months? Are you sure it just wasn't school that you didn't like about Boston?

You've got it entirely wrong.

When it's actually winter, it's fine. Cold temps, snow on the ground, all lovely.

It's when it's April 4th and it's snowing cold wet flakes after being cold and rainy for 3 days with no sun and none in sight.

I'll take the Boston winter any day, over the crappy Boston spring.

Wake me up when it's July.

I spent one there and it snowed exactly once, and that was just flurries.

if that's your ideal winter, then i recommend Raleigh, NC. been here ten years, can count the number of significant snowfalls on one hand. most winters, the daytime temp rarely gets below freezing for more than a few days. a Raleigh winter is like an upstate NY October.

I'm in Cambridge right now, in the very Central Square to which MY refers, and I'd like you all to know it is blizzarding outside. on April 4th.

i recommend Raleigh, NC. been here ten years, can count the number of significant snowfalls on one hand.

Yeah, but does it rain instead? Beijing's basically a northern desert. I *like* cold winters, just not snow.

I'm in Cambridge right now, in the very Central Square to which MY refers, and I'd like you all to know it is blizzarding outside. on April 4th.

Ah, that takes me back to the glorious April 1st of '97, when Boston got two solid feet of snow in one day.

Snow is okay. It's the icy/slushy stuff that sucks.

Almost makes me feel bad about griping about the fact that it was cloudy this morning here in Santa Monica.

Maybe it's just a misanthropic streak, but I love it when it snows late and people are grumpy. I'm in my office now, staring out at this slushy April blizzard and my heart is filled with an ineffable gladness.

California is laughing at you, but please don't move here.

What's a jawn?

This is clearly a gross exageration. Boston isn't hip enough to be a Townes Van Zandt/Joy Division mashup -- it's much more like a Def Leppard/Barenaked Ladies sort of town.

On the plus side, since the streets were laid out over old cowpaths you don't get the brutally cold wind-tunnel effect that you do on New York's otherwise delighfully straight and rational streets.

jawn = joint which in this case he's using to use female, which i wasn't familiar with usage-wise until this post. it usually means record or movie or general thingy.

I live in Raleigh and actually miss the Buffalo winters. Most of the time ... and yes, Boston winter whining is just that compared to the "Great Lakes Winter Experience".

On the other hand, Pat is exactly correct, and it goes beyond Boston. "When it's actually winter, it's fine. Cold temps, snow on the ground, all lovely. It's when it's April 4th and it's snowing cold wet flakes after being cold and rainy for 3 days with no sun and none in sight." Double that for Buffalo, and get me out and down to lovely Carolina ...

i recommend Raleigh, NC. been here ten years, can count the number of significant snowfalls on one hand.

That just means that the government doesn't bother to buy snow plows. When it snowed 2 feet in 2000 we had to wait for the stuff to melt. (Except at Duke. They had more snowplows than the entire city of Durham.)

Best (or least bad) non-tropical winter? Lisbon, Portugal. Same Latitude as NY, snows once a century, you can go to beach as soon as March (even in February for mental cases).

And while we're at it, has Matt received an email about his book being published in portuguese? Where can we write to him for serious, ponderous, professional matters?

From urbandictionary.com:

"Jawn: a word used by Philly cats to describe anything and everything."
Apparently also Boston cats.

"Giving brain: Giving oral sex to a man (giving head)."

"Len: a very commonly used word in Gravesend to describe someone that is very stoned." Google only turned up Gravesends in Brooklyn and Kent, England--possibly there is one in Boston too.

Ah, that takes me back to the glorious April 1st of '97, when Boston got two solid feet of snow in one day.

The very day I decided to move to California.

That post is pretty funny about bike courier girls. For some reason when I lived in Boston like 3/4s of them were couriers, and all the girls were, in fact, exactly as he describes.

Also, the snow's not the bad part of Boston winter. It's the goddamn freezing rain.

Mr. Len.

Okay, it's not Buffalo and it sure ain't Duluth, but there is something about the damp, bone chilling cold, when you are at the Patriot's Day game against the Yankees and the snow flurries begin and Jackson or Jeter or some other pin striper is breaking your heart and you scream God why hast thou forsaken me? Even the weather hates us!

I'm over it -- just a flash back moment. But it's the damp, damp cold. Raw as we used to say in that godawful accent of ours. Just fuckin' raw.

I'd like to second the comment about the Wuthering Heights-esque joy of spring snow, the knowledge that the winter refuses to be defeated... encouraging, somehow, having just walked home in it.

As for the Great Lakes folks, I think you underestimate how sudden your spring is compared with Boston and what an advantage that brings. When I lived in the interior of N. America, spring just suddenly happens one day. It's 25 and snowy, then one day it's suddenly 75 and everything melts. Everyone starts to show skin.
What is different and brutal about Boston is the persistence of spring -- cold, in the 40s, and foggy into early June. It's the maritime climate, a bit like the British Isles, that does it. And bare midriffs tend to suffer in such conditions.

Also, Galen couldn't be more wrong about Bostonian music -- case in point, it spawned the Pixies, not Def Leppard or some such crap. And need I mention Seiji Ozawa?

And yes, I am in love with the bike messenger girls. How can you not be?

Snow has been falling for nearly 3 hours in the western suburbs of Boston. On April 4.

What Billups fails to stress is the gray awfulness in Boston. I grew up in Montana, where we actually had more snow than I've yet to see in Boston. However, we also had something like 320 sunny days a year (which is more sun than San Diego, as Westerners like to point out).

The gray on the East Coast, but in Boston in particular, is even worse than the snow fall on April 4.

Exactly: raw.

My personal definition of naivety is based on the time we had a warmish day in February in Albany, NY and I thought, "Hey, so maybe spring is early this year. Could happen, right?"

Ben--

I don't mean to say that Boston spawns only bad bands, and clearly Def Leppart and the Barenaked Ladies aren't from Boston. I'm blanking on other great historical bands from Boston, but The Dresden Dolls and the Daily Pravda are two fabulous current Boston acts. (Ozawa, however, is widely considered to have been sub-standard, and Levine something of a savior.) And Townes Van Zandt and Joy Division aren't from Boston either.

What I really meant was that Boston's culture overall has the Def Leppard /Barenaked Ladies feel to it -- simultaneously dorky and pretentious and ultimately kinda lame.

In truth, I quite liked Boston when I lived there a few years ago and didn't really mind the winter, but I do think my assessment of the overall culture still has some truth to it. Perhaps I'm going on way too long in defense of a joke, thereby revealing my own simultaneous dorky, pretentious lameness and demonstrating that I should just move to Allston and get it over with :)

Galen it's the college kids' fault. Don't blame us townies.

Allston is also the college kids' fault.

Actually there's a pretty great underground music scene in Boston right now, although it's being sorely stressed by the increasing remoteness of the housing-price displaced hipster enclaves in JP and Somerville.

Build a trolley between those two poles and you could give the L train a run for it's money.

Boston, I like Boston but s a winter, hah.

Try Milwaukee.

It's basically an 8 month-long night of sitting in your bathtub tearlessly crying while listening to Townes Van Zandt/Joy Division mashups, half-heartedly trying to cut your wrists with the Lady Bic of some jawn you were hot for that you just found out gave brain to Mr. Len in the bathroom during some poetry slam in Central Square.

That might be the weeniest hipster paragraph ever written, ever.

Galen:

Point taken, but as Sifu points out, it's a bit unfair to blame us natives for the shittiness of 100,000 suburban Connecticut and Jersey kids coming in with their relentlessly middlebrow taste (I'm looking at BU, Northeastern, BC, etc, here). So I guess I just disagree (esp. on Ozawa, though Levine, I admit, is quite good) in general.

With that said, I think the fact that this is a college town means that you can get away with the sort of drunken obnoxiousness which would pretty quickly get you killed in New York. So that's a second factor.

And as for dork-pretentiousness, those of us so-inclined are increasingly, as Sifu says, driven to Somerville and JP. Not the prettiest neighborhoods, but better than being stuck with the business jocks and sociopathic lawyers of the South End (though parts of Somerville, e.g. Davis Sq., are quickly turning in that direction).

The only thing as bad as a Boston winter is a Boston summer, fall, or spring,

3 words: Rochester, New York

Whine, whine, whine. I grew up Michigan's Keweenaw peninusla, buffetted by 300 inches of lake-effect snow a year. This was only a slight step down from where we'd lived previously, inside Rocky Mountain National Park.

Well, y'all could join me in Cedar Springs, Michigan, where it is 25 degrees and snowing hard today on April 4--and where, unlike Boston, there isn't anything to do if you don't want to be outdoors.

Galen - ever heard of the Pixies? Ever been to Allston?
What great music has DC ever brought us? The Thievery Corporation...? I rest my case.

April is the cruelest month.

'Cept here in Dallas, where with abnormally high rain and our usual 60-80 spring days, we are green with bluebonnet accents all over. Is why I moved here after 30 years on the East Coast of Lake Michigan.

Even the tornado 5 miles from my house last night was a so what thing.

What great music has DC ever brought us? Smack that hornet's nest. I'll start. Bad fucking Brains.

Boston's music scene may not be sufficiently hip, but there's not a bucket of warm spit's differnce in the climate between it and New York City.

I'd like to add that Boston is one of the country's windiest cities; much windier than Chicago.

Boston always had a really lively indie scene before it was called indie -- not that many of the bands became huge, but in addition to the Pixies, there was Mission of Burma, Jonathan Richman and the Modern Lovers, Human Sexual Response, the Neighborhoods, the Breeders, Throwing Muses, Blake Babies, Robin Lane and the Chartbusters. There's a great Rhino compilation with a lot of these acts.

As far as DC, Fugazi, Government Issue and Minor Threat come to mind, plus the local Go-Go scene from the 80s with Chuck Brown and the Soul Searchers, EU and a few others. EU produced the fabulous song "Da Butt" used in Spike Lee's Skool Daze and one of the best dance tracks around. Henry Rollins and Dave Grohl hail from these parts too.

I'm middle aged and out of touch with what the local scene has going now.

But remember, the watchword is raw.

What great music has DC ever brought us? Smack that hornet's nest. I'll start. Bad fucking Brains.

I'll continue:
Fugazi

Bad Brains and Fugazi are both excellent. They're no Pixies or Morphine, but good stuff.

Heyyyyyy what about those of us who are mourning the end of ski season?

This Florida kid lasted exactly one Chicago winter up north. Brutal. I think Lake Superior froze that year. I quickly fled back to the sweet smell of the South. Life is too short to spend a large percentage of the year without seeing the sun and shivering violently every time you step outside.

Fargo North Dakota 1979-1983, bitches. Nobody who hasn't lived in Winnipeg has any standing to whine to me about winters.

That is all.

Boston is Mr. Lif's town. I rest my case.

I spent two winters in Cambridge and it is pretty much like my home town in Poland (Warsaw) so I did not know any better. By the way of comparison, a girl I was studying with in Warsaw visited parents during the winter break in her native Leningrad. You should listen to her compaints:

"I was so stupid! I totally forgot how is it. Can you imagine waiting for 20 minutes for a bus, when it is windy and -20C? Never again, never again!"

Even that first warm day in May, in Michigan or upstate New York, when the co-eds suddenly appear wearing skirts and short shirts does not compensate for the lake effect snow and the month long thaw where everything is covered in brownish gray sludge. Not to mention the more than occasional early April snowstorm that shuts everything down.

When I first moved to California I was stunned people could get any work done in such nice weather and no one spent winter with a near permanent buzz.

Stupidest.MY.Post.Ever.

Where to even start with such whinging stupidity? As already pointed out, first of all there's almost no appreciable difference between Boston and New York weatherwise. Second, Boston is actually very sunny all winter long compared to many "fabulous" places. Third, Chicago is far colder, damper and more miserable. Fourth, go spend November thru February in Paris, Berlin, Milan or Amsterdam - when you get back to Boston it seems like a sunny paradise by comparison. I once spent a winter in Buffalo, NY. Boston doesn't even have a winter. Where do people come up with this crap? Just projecting their miserable grad school experience?

Three other great Boston bands not yet mentioned - the Dambuilders, Fuzzy and Scissorfight.

Just thunk of another one: Troublefunk.

Second, Boston is actually very sunny all winter long compared to many "fabulous" places. Third, Chicago is far colder, damper and more miserable.

Chicago's winter is indeed colder and nastier than Boston's. Also: Chicago's summer is hotter and nastier than Boston's. As a current resident of Chicago, I'm quite fond of the city (my second favorite in the country, weather aside) but the weather is brutal. I prefer brutal cold to brutal heat, though, so I try not to complain too much about the winter.

My favorite American city - my favorite city in the world that I've been to - also has pretty much the perfect weather for me: San Francisco. When I was a kid in MA, fall was my favorite season; in SF it's fall for most of the year.

I'd complain about Boston winters, having left there to settle in DC 6 months ago. However, now that I've moved to DC, this spring I seem to have developed an allergy which causes me to develop a persistent cough.

Basically, by the end of April in Boston, I started to feel like someone was punishing me by extending the winter out so long.

Marvin Gaye is from DC, but I suppose music by black people doesn't count.

John:

Marvin Gaye is from DC, but I suppose music by black people doesn't count.

Research is your friend. Several groups with black members already named in this thread. (Bad Brains for one and while I'm not familiar with the go-go scene at least some of the artists namechecked above are black.)

I'm from DC and now live in Boston, so I own this entire thread.

The ice of boston is muddy, bitches.

Boston black artists - Donna Summer, Guru (of Gangstar), Mr. Lif already got mentioned, probably best not to mention Bobby Brown...

I survived the winter of '02 thanks to Corona, Pacifico, Joy Division, Interpol, The Shins, and the ratty couch in the Grays M43 common room.

"I'm in Cambridge right now, in the very Central Square to which MY refers, and I'd like you all to know it is blizzarding outside. on April 4th.

Ah, that takes me back to the glorious April 1st of '97, when Boston got two solid feet of snow in one day."

Wusses...now the blizzard of '78 was really something.

3 words: Rochester, New York

no doubt. i went to college there, and remember getting 5" of snow on May 5th, my first year.

When it snowed 2 feet in 2000 we had to wait for the stuff to melt.

yup. i got that entire week off from work, because the roads out of N. Raleigh were impassable. i, not knowing any better, shoveled my driveway as soon as the snow stopped - it was the only clear patch of pavement for a week.

What great music has DC ever brought us? Smack that hornet's nest. I'll start. Bad fucking Brains.

Unrest!

"When I lived in the interior of N. America, spring just suddenly happens one day. It's 25 and snowy, then one day it's suddenly 75 and everything melts. Everyone starts to show skin."

And then it starts snowing again . . .

Anyone talking about the grey horribleness of Boston that holds on forever should spend some time in Portland or Seattle. Although Boston is colder than either place it still feels like a sunny climate compared to growing up in a climate where you can go a whole month without seeing the sun.

ok, so i said something pretty dumb

I believe I read somewhere that Boston is cloudier than Seattle and windier than Chicago. I suppose I'll have to spend the morning googling average Jan. and July windspeeds, dewpoints, temps, cloud cover for every city north of the Mason Dixon line, now.

D.C. Music: Edward Kennedy Ellington

The weather between New York and Boston IS appreciably different, but only so in April and May. When it's in the 70s in New York, it's in the 50s in Boston. Speaking as someone who spent half his life in each place.

There are marginal differences the rest of the year.

Seattle and Portland do not have weather of any sort.

the pixies and morphine are better than fugazi and bad brains?
you cannot be fucking serious. What a fucking joke? You've been reading to much pitchfork.

for all the shitty indie rock bands the Pixies have inspired, there's a host of seriously great bands that would never have existed if it were not for the bad brains (minor threat, beastie boys, rollins, the entire DC hardcore scene) and Fugazi (Drive like Jehu, Rocket from the Crypt, Three Mile Pilot and the Entire San Diego scene, Nation of Ulysses, the whole fucking Bright Eyes Omaha scene which you're probably all up on, etc...). Recognize.

Generic complaint about weather. Generic attempt at humor about locality's weather. Generic comiseration about weather.

Winter is supposed to be below freezing with snow on the ground. I came from northern Indiana, where it's like that, to Baltimore, Maryland, where it snows just a few times, then melts. Winter here is like spring in northern Indiana: grey and soggy rather than white and crisp.

Snow can be beautiful. Deal with it.

I have two months until people here start whining incessantly about the heat. I wish they would all move to Boston and leave me alone in my nice warm city.

PIXIES- best and most important band. Ever.

Also, thank the crimson crooks for Galaxie 500.

Fuck the San Diego scene.

Music= subjective, dumbfucks. All this pissing contest will result in is a little yellow April Sludge.

Most people outgrow the Bad Brains when they turn 17 or so. You never outgrow Morphine.

Wow! Joy Division and Townes. I gotta try that!

galaxie 500 went to harvard, but all members grew up in NYC and they relocated to NYC shortly after college. I don't think it's fair to call them a boston band (besides a very tenuous link to the modern lovers).

People also outgrow the Pixies when they're 21 and realize how unoriginal they were. Morphine just sucks. Please. Get your head out of your ass.

Boston winters are kinda mild and it is too hot down there in the summer. Maine is where it is at. Some of those towns in Vt where the mountains block the sun after 3 pm are kinda nice too.

Music is not competitive as I recall. It's not like rooting for the Red Sox or the Nats. I've got the Pixies and the Bad Brains on my ipod and they live harmoniously together. Boston always struck me as having a slightly livelier scene, but that may just be because I was a kid there and went to college there and some of the best stuff in DC was either HarDCore or Go Go, neither of which was completely in my listening wheelhouse.

One thing I really miss is the days of local radio where local acts could be mini regional stars leaving their fans with that satisfying sense of being in on a great secret. DC has a complete lack of college radio and the once great WHFS of the early 1980s is a distant memory. My impression is that college radio lives on in Boston.

Life is tough. Here in San Diego, winter is overcast and 65 degrees. Little bit of rain. Lasts for about 6 weeks, then the sun comes back.

Never mind that our city is bankrupt and you need to have your front end aligned monthly because the roads are so fucked up, or that we have some of the looniest right wingers on the Planet in our local politics (read Duke Cunningham, Darryl Issa, and Duncan Hunter), or even that you need to have a income of like 500K to afford a one bedroom condo.

Come on by and have a cocktail at a bar overlooking Mission Bay at sunset, and watch for the Green Flash. You will be hooked like a guppy.

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